While recently surfin’ Instagram I came across this hashtag: #herbalife. I had never heard of it and much to my surprise it was hashtagged (is this a real verb?) over two hundred thousand times. That’s a lot of times! So I decided to check out their website and what they were all about. After doing some research, I was shocked. People are consuming this stuff thinking they’re making a good move for their health? People are selling this and calling it healthy? Disgusting. So here is my unbiased review of Herbalife.

Much to my dismay, Herbalife is your run of the mill scam disguised as healthy living. According to their website,

Our Mission is to change people’s lives by providing the best business opportunity in direct selling and the best nutrition and weight-management products in the world.

Unfortunately, they by no means sell the best nutrition products and they don’t even come close. Here is the ingredient list for their protein drink mix:

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Here’s the ingredient list for the Forumla 1 shake, which is labeled as healthy but is basically cancer in a can.

Screen Shot 2015-11-19 at 4.01.59 PMAnd the peanut butter protein bars:
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The creamy chicken soup, with a side of MSG and hydrogenated oils!
aachickensoup*I wrote this article years ago and have since discovered that Herbalife has changed the ingredients in the chicken soup to be slightly less horrible. I’d link to a picture, but it’s very blurry. Find updated ingredients here.

Let’s examine these ingredients further. I wish I could explain to you the full scope of the several horrible ingredients Herbalife uses, but I don’t have ten hours, and you likely don’t have the time to read a 20 page blog post.

Soy Protein Isolate

Soy protein isolate is the very first ingredient, from genetically modified soy (the USDA estimates that over 94% of soy in America is genetically modified). Soy is not a health food, in my opinion it isn’t even food. It is highly processed garbage. You can read more about how much I hate soy here.

Soy is rich in phytic acid, which blocks mineral absorption. It’s rich in goitrogens, which negatively impact the thyroid. It’s rich in phytoestrogens, that mimic estrogen in the body, and have been linked to cancer.

If you’re looking for a non-denatured protein with recognizable ingredients from grass-fed cows, I buy this protein powder for Scott. It’s grass-fed, raw and contains no toxic ingredients. Buying Herbalife supports the genetic modification of our food system.

Sucralose

These products contain the artificial sweetener, sucralose, also known as Splenda. From the mouth of the beast,

Sucralose is made through a  patented, multi-step process that starts with sugar and selectively replaces  three hydrogen-oxygen groups on the sugar molecule with three chlorine  atoms.  The result is an exceptionally  stable sweetener that tastes like sugar, but without sugar’s calories.

That’s right, it’s chlorinated. Sucralose destroys beneficial gut flora, thus impairing immune function and promoting obesity.

No. Sucralose is not a natural product – it is not found in nature.  Although sucralose is made from sugar, the sugar molecule is chemically  modified to make sucralose which is classed as an artificial sweetener.

As for the food recommended by Herbalife, they miss the mark again. While it’s nice that they advocate fruit and vegetable consumption (I mean, who doesn’t?) they also advocate highly processed low-fat foods that are devoid of nutrients. Yet again, processed soy rears its ugly head in their breakfast burrito recipe. They do make their own food that people can buy. Like their creamy chicken soup:

Canola Oil

Canola is one of the largest GMO crops and is likely genetically modified in herbalife products. It is a rancid industrial oil that undergoes an unbelieable amount of processing. It is extracted with hexane, a neurotoxin, then bleached, deodorized and a slew of other disgusting techniques. Find out more and see how it’s produced in the video below!

MSG

Monosodoium glutamate can be tricky because it masquerades under so many different names. Any of the following can contain it: yeast extract, natural flavors, artificial flavors, maltodextrin, corn syrup – all of which are found in Herbalife products!

If you’re not concerned with MSG, you should be. Glutamate is not processed in the body the same way naturally occuring glutamic acid is. MSG is an excitotoxin and can cause oevreating.

Carageenan

Carageenan is a processed food additive made from seaweed that has been shown to cause cancer in lab rats, induce colitis, exacerbate ulcers and is overall terrible for the gut and digestive tract.

Overall

If you need tips on healthy eating, click here, because Herbalife products are not only unhealthy, but promote disease. I mean really, I can’t even count the ingredients in the junk above. Among them are hydrogenated soy, canola and cottonseed oils, margarine, autolyzed yeast extract (also known as MSG), artificial flavors, wheat protein and corn syrup. This is not food. This is not healthy.

While Herbalife may be an effective weight loss tool, it is not a safe or healthy nutrition regimen. There are better ways to lose weight and you should not sacrifice your health to accomplish that. In the same regard, it is also not the ideal product to put on muscle or use for bulking. There are healthier options, starting with eating real, unrefined food grown locally, organically and sustainably. If you would like a healthy nutrition program, I highly suggest starting with my 21 Day Lifestyle Transformation.

Here is the recipe for the protein shake I make, it is unprocessed and actually good for you.

*I do not recommend most protein shakes and meal replacements, excluding the organic, grass-fed protein powder I linked to in this article. I have gotten a lot of questions about other product lines since writing this. If you have a question about a particular brand of protein shakes and/or meal replacements, please provide a link to the product so I can more efficiently answer your question.

An-Unbiased-Review-of-Herbalife

Sources:

http://az31823.vo.msecnd.net/content/en-us/pdf/catalog/100907_sku1122_us_label.pdf

http://az31823.vo.msecnd.net/content/en-us/pdf/catalog/0291_soupmix_carton_us.pdf

http://az31823.vo.msecnd.net/content/en-us/pdf/catalog/120906_sku0058_us_label.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18800291

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16965913

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11694625

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/68/6/1431S.longhttp://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/5/10/785.short

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1242073/

690 Comments

      • Ok so it contains isolated soy no the best but a better alternative to a McDonald’s cheeseburger or the bacon you say you love in your other article …it’s pretty difficult for average person to get a hold of GMOs free products or learn the vast knowledge of unhealthy foods you got to learn from
        Schooling or the internet so you can sit there and explain how bad it is but I can do the same with the eggs you used for your food dishes those eggs could have came from chickens that were Gmo fed I didn’t see you write organic home raised chicken eggs next to your ingridients and for someone promoting healthy living and bashing other companies why do you have a brownie recepie?? I don’t care how healthy u make it a brownie is a brownie girl. (They have chocolate=sugar). I keep reading about FDA on some comments well the FDA also approves Kraft cheese twinkies and soda all which is bad for you. As for the shake once your at your ideal weight you don’t have to keep drinking shakes as long as you eat healthy your good. and as for the distributor part which I am I don’t sit behind a computer all day bashing and criticizing others I get up invite people for hikes gym excersice bootcamps so we don’t just promote and teach healthy eating we actually help people encourage them to excersice change their eating habits (direct talking not off my blog). And the satisfaction you get from physically helping someone is amazing or hearing how their borderline diabetic anymore or helped with their cancer I love what i do.Instead of being anti herbalife why aren’t you write about being pro organic growing and tell us how you went out and idk started farming/gardening your own food and actually did something to positively impact people’s lives. like us herbafreaks since we’re just out there spreading venom I hope you actually help people with this blog rather than confuse them now back to your brownie you go 😉

        • dani stout Reply

          You and so many other Herbalife pushers say, “Well it’s better than fast food.” REALLY? Is that the standard? No. It’s like saying, “A heroin addict is healthier than an alcoholic.” Well, no…not really. They’re just different and they’re both still unhealthy.

          I get pastured, organic bacon from my local farm. It IS healthy. Healthier than Herbalife, that’s a fact.

          Aaron, you’re really grasping at straws. Just because I didn’t write “gmo-free” eggs doesn’t mean I don’t use GMO-free eggs. I buy majority of my food from the local, organic farmers market. Including my eggs, which are raised on pasture and supplemented with organic feed! Also, my brownie recipe has less than 1 tbsp of sugar from sugar cane. These comments are ridiculous. Yes, I have a brownie recipe, a gluten-free-refined-sugar-free-organic-coconut-oil-rich brownie recipe. I have a lot of other healthy dessert recipes, you should probably check those out as well.

          You’re asking me why I don’t help others? I’m a health coach, bro! That’s exactly what I do.

          Herbalife does not help anyone with cancer, the ingredients in Herbalife are CARCINOGENIC. This is a fact. It’s terrible that this horrible product is pushed on so many unsuspecting people who think they’re doing something healthy.

          • Have you looked into Arbonne’s health and wellness products?? They’re awesome!

          • dani stout

            I just googled Arbonne’s protein powder ingredients, which are actually really bad for you.

          • Nick Howe

            Looking at the ingredients I would rather eat fast food, it’s cheaper than your over priced trash and not much worse. While you can make an impact going out and helping exposing what is not helping can help too, bad companies deserve to be dismantled and boycotted by the people, I would not mind this one, but they tell people they are making them healthy while destroying them, that is not right. Cheap gmo free food is completely available at the store btw, you may have to boil your own rice but the idea that it is hard to get/expensive is complete bullshit.

          • Big Pete

            Hi,
            Great blog and well done for spreading the word about this Herbalife scam….What an absolute Joke ,I am surprised that intelligent people believe this shit,but then again people still have imaginary friends too.
            Herbalife is an absolutely poison in a pretty package like Mcdeath..If you truly believe in better health you should read “The China study ” by Colin Cambell and then you wont want to eat bacon organic or not…. any more..
            Oh and I have Nothing to gain from this endorsement ,obviously unlike Aaron.

          • Reading the comment from the person,who seems to be for Herbalife, and reading Dani Stout comments,myself just recently doing a trial run with Herbalife products, where they are setting up a shop in a neighbor hood near you and advertising as Wellness Clubs….So as I did a small venture for a couple of weeks trying a shake here and there , a tea , so I started asking questions,does your product have GMO’s , could not get a straight answer, so I figured no need to ask about herbicides and if they used them or not,since the question’s about GMO’s,was a hard question to answer.Well the internet is a field of information and with any commonsense after finding many many sites pertaining to Herbalife, here’s a question to ask could this product pass a GMO stamp of approval of not having none, does it carry a stamp of organic approval, as far as I have seen on all of there labels ,none of these appear on any of there products. The thing I found most of all the people selling the product do not pry around and investigate the product and they have become indebted to the product….when the warning labeling comes out and is enforced on products Herbalife and products similar to them,they will not be known as heath products. In the 21 Century we have all the tools to search and check out products,there is no excuse to buy into misleading products now a days……Give the stamp of approval,the stamp of organic and NO GMO is stronger than words, can they do it.

          • Great post, I have lots of friends who use it against my advice, I will pass this on & well done on the witty replies 🙂

          • Thaddeus

            Well said. Shake diets are not sustainable, healthy, safe, smart, etc…It’s a shame that people don’t realize these facts. They just fall victim to the excuse of “Eating Healthy is to Expensive” or “I don’t have enough time to eat healthy”. People just need to educate themselves more about what is & what isn’t healthy. It’s not that hard to eat healthy. The crazy thing is that healthy food taste better also. Eating healthy makes your mind & body stronger as well. Not rocket science just common sense.

          • Girl, you are so righttttt.
            I sold herbalife in college thinking it was a good product when its crazy expensive shit…shit. Most People, excuse me… 99% of people know nothing about nutritional biochemitry so they think organic, nitrate free, organic fed bacon is bad for you. Correctly sourced saturated fat synthesizes youre vitamind d, creates your sex and stress hormones, makes up a large quantity of your brain and your cell membranes. Also a brownie is not a brownie, that was the funniest thing Ive ever read, I guess you dont understand the different between clean ingredients and man made ingredients that get stuck on your arterial wall (Hyrodgenated soybean shit oil). Oh wait you dont because you defend herbalife. Herbalife is liver hell. haha read a nutrition chemistry book I beg of you.

          • Just have to say I LOVE your response to aaron above making the ridiculous and ignorant comment about healthy foods.

            I have a real personal issue with Herbalife. It is a TERRIBLE company and the business model is a pyramid scheme and the products are so far from health foods crazy. Currently there are about 15 people popping up on my facebook newsfeed touting Herbalife and their supposedly amazing transformative powers and I’m angry that these people, my friends, have fallen for this fraudulent company. This quote, “99.92 percent of Herbalife participants lose money, and of that only 0.825 percent of participants make more than $13,028 per year, less than a living wage in virtually every corner of the United States,” comes from this article- http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/7/4074808/juicing-the-pyramid-is-herbalife-an-8-billion-house-of-cards

            Herbalife is currently going to Washington DC to explain their business model to congress.

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-herbalife-idUSBREA1J27T20140220

          • I think you are so right about what you said that the ingredients in Herbalife are CARCINOGENIC.

            I myself follow a non- GMO diet. I also agree that soy of any kind is bad for you. I eat a soy free diet as well. I lost 100 lbs. the healthy way.

            Sadly lots of people don’t take the time to research about GMOs and how bad they are for you.

          • dani stout

            100 lbs? That’s amazing, congrats!

          • Deanne Morin

            Great post, keep it up people need to know about the snake oil salesmen out there and they are actually confusing a lot of unsuspecting people into thinking it is healthy. One of the biggest scams out there. Keep up the good work Dani!

          • Pip Miles

            I did Herbal lies a few years ago and they always said about at least its not junk food like McDonalds, tbh Id rather eat the MC Donald’s than the Herbal life products tasted disgusting and did bugger all for me . Its just a pyramid scam at the end of the day , What’s wrong with just eating a healthy diet and regular exercise. I’m doing Weight Watchers now and been loosing about 2lbs a week with HL I lost about 2lbs in 2 months

          • Well, that’s interesting. I been using the products for ten years and it has delivered on all the promises it states. Not sure as an advocate for “being healthy” you would care about this at all. You certainly wont take it, and I wouldn’t come and harass you for your choices.

            Just a thought.

          • Perfect response. The standard MLM speak is to make a False Parallel argument and compare their protein shakes and meal replacements not to other (better) protein shakes and meal replacements, but instead to junk food.

            You see a lot of similar false parallel arguments they’ll use, such as arguing that your job is just like working for an MLM in that “people at the top make the most” but there are a variety of differences, including the fact that hourly jobs pay everyone, not just the top few percent of employees.

            This is a great blog post and it’s good to see real information on the Internet.

          • In reply to Aaron’s previous post, I did Herbalife at a point and even if you reach your ideal weight you have to keep drinking at least one shake a day in order to maintain. I saw the label and noticed the amount of chemicals used in their products. I do not like to bash companies like Herbalife, but their biggest flaw is that they do not teach their users about nutrition and how to eat correctly without having to rely on their products. It amazes me how many supplements they have and for so many different things. All of those supplements can be substituted by actually eating the proper foods. Natural weight loss can be achieved, it just takes time and commitment.

          • Herbalife has had known cases of people having to had surgeries to remove gallstones! Terrible!

          • Well, water is chlorinated, and when I asked my Herbalife coach if the soy is GMO, she said absolutely not, and that they grow their own soy. They are also very careful about the aloe and use only a tiny part of the plant (for what that is worth).
            I do have problems with sucralose and any artificial flavors, and I do not want to eat hydrogenated fats.
            Also, how many cases have been reported about Herbalife causing gallstones?
            I’d like to see the references for that, if you have them.
            Thanks.

          • dani stout

            1) the chlorine added to water is minimal and still isn’t healthy, I bought a water filter to filter out chlorine. I recommend doing so.

            2) Your “coach” is a liar. Seriously. She’s lying to you. The soy is GMO.

            Not sure about the gallstone, or if they’d even make that available to the public, or have a way to accurately track that information.

          • Hello Dani, I have few questions to ask you regarding Herbalife because I’m currently in a big dilemma and I hope you can help me solve the problem. This is my email iinnim95@gmail.com.

          • Laura Ward

            There is no way that your bacon is healthy, even if it is pasteurised and organic, animal proteins in the form of meat and dairy are, over time, very damaging to your health, the planet and animal welfare. I have 2 degrees in nutrition so know what i’m talking about.

          • dani stout

            Actually that’s a very outdated idea not rooted in science or history. Humans have always eaten meat, if this were true our species would not have evolved, much less thrived. Meat is extremely healthy, but only if it is properly sources. The healthiest cultures around the world all have one thing in common: animal products. I recommend reading Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.

            http://ancestral-nutrition.com/why-bacon-is-a-health-food/

          • Laura Ward

            However, I do very much agree with you that Herbalife is an awful product 🙂

          • Thanx Dani,

            I am obese, just bought a rower which will be delivered in a couple of days – I met someone pushing Herbalife – he showed me his photographs and had really lost weight – but you are right, is heroin addiction better than being alcoholic – absolutely not.

            So, I get rid of my weight, but invite other maladies into my life, I would rather stick to my rower to gain my fitness – even if I don’t lose much weight, at least I will be safe.

            Thank you so much for a marvelous article.

            Cheerios,

            Deva

          • dani stout

            Thank you Deva and best of luck!

          • Now that is called an unbiased review. I am taking this Herbalife nutritional shake from last 2 years. It showed no effect. It was recommended from my relative which is a head supervisor in Herbalife. She just always forces everyone to drink the shake and all those supplements. The truth is people are losing weight in a wrong way. But they won’t accept it. They do not want to look at long term effects. Also, the products are very expensive. I will throw Herbalife products out of my house. Thank you again!

          • Well done and I totally agree.
            I love your recipes
            I’m also a health professional. and totally horrified at what Herbalife is promoting.

          • I am glad you informed me, was at a Herbalife party and the saleslady looked like a skeleton, very unhealthy, not my scene.
            No information was given regarding the ingredients.

          • I’d like to point out that there are several major flaws with your denouncement of this company, based only on the science.

            First, there is no accepted evidence that GMOs are bad. There may be studies out there that say otherwise, but they are few and far between, and are generally shown to be based on unsound science. It is the consensus within the scientific community that there are no currently known ill effects from genetically modified foods. Preaching otherwise is not only stupid, but founded on nothing more than bias.

            Second, chlorinated substances are not inherently bad. Remember that there is a difference between atomic chlorine (aka the poisonous gas) and chlorine ions, which are present in our drinking water, and for good reason. Our bodies utilize chlorine in several ways, most of which are absolutely vital to your being alive. By removing chlorine from your drinking water, you removing a key substance from you body. May I remind you that common table salt, NaCl, is half chlorine, and that all the water in your body is actually slightly saline? Think about how much of that is chlorine ions.

            Third, this popular idea of “if I can’t pronounce it, it must be bad” is ridiculous. People are terrified of “chemicals” and “toxins” when they don’t even understand the actual meaning of those words. Throwing them around the way you do, they are absolutely meaningless. Everything is a chemical, and anything can be a “toxin” if given enough. The word “toxic” just means having an ill effect, and in science, almost always comes with an amount attached. Using your logic, I can say water is a toxin, because if you drink six gallons in one sitting, you’ll probably die.

            Fourth, there is no reason to laud things that are gluten free for no reason. Unless you have Celiac’s disease, gluten will not harm you. Gluten will not make you fat. Gluten will not make you less healthy.

            Fifth, there is some evidence to suggest that yes, sucralose and artificial sweeteners can have an ill effect on the bacteria in your gut, but its widely disputed, and not even near to being proven as conclusively true.

            As a last few notes, MSG is not this awful thing. That’s a myth that people with little education (and Googling things is not an education) commonly believe. As well, there is nothing cited here that would even come close to suggesting that the ingredients are carcinogenic. Finally, “organic” does not mean healthier; they are not synonyms, and most of the time, are not even related terms.

          • dani stout

            Well I’m glad to see that you’re completely ignoring science, studies, facts and even the most basic of nutrition information. I’m not even responding to this, it’s so ridiculous.

          • A lot of the herbalife pushers actually think they are doing a great job and us all a favour. That’s cause they are Dumb f**ks that have attended a herbalife training course or two and have been brainwashed by the potential profits from this pyramid scam.

          • Priscilla

            I know living people that do herbalife.and it has helped them alot.it helped my mom who had a liver problem .my neighbor w her shingles.my supervisor w being enimic.it prevented me from. Getting a sexually transmited disease from my x.and the list goes on. So dont be hating. Appreciate the good it does for people. I do.n im 100 with herbalife 4sure

          • dani

            …did you just say Herbalife prevented you from getting a sexually transmitted disease?

          • dani

            The print in the pictures is too small for me to read the ingredients. I do have an article on my favorite protein powders you can check out. Just do a search in the search bar.

          • Hi, interesting. I have been drinking Herbalife for 20 years…

          • Exactly. Mlm’s are trained to have a comeback that steers away from the issue at hand. I was about to join a place that uses Herbalife and you and other websites just stopped me. Thank you

          • Thanks for saving me from wasting some hard earned money 🙂

        • On your quest to better health , I suggest watching ” FOOD MATTERS” available on net flux. Next Google the ingredients of your beloved Herbalife product line. It’s the blind and not so smart, leading , the blind and not so smart. The truth shall set you free.

        • “Instead of being anti herbalife why aren’t you write about being pro organic growing and tell us how you went out and idk started farming/gardening your own food and actually did something to positively impact people’s lives. like us herbafreaks since we’re just out there spreading venom I hope you actually help people with this blog rather than confuse them now back to your brownie you go 😉 ”

          is there any need for this? surely the best thing to do is to educate people on how to eat properly, learn how to cook good quality food using good quality ingredients instead of relying on something that is not natural to consume as a meal? I understand it has worked for thousands of people but its not right!

          People should learn to enjoy their food and still be able to eat in a way that is healthy and going to help them keep the weight off with a little exercise thrown in 🙂 i know i would much rather eat a meal of (for example) chicken/sweet potato/veg than have a shake that is full of god knows what.

          Not here to argue. As I said, if it works for you then fair enough but as you don’t want the pro organic/brownie baking comments coming at you, be a little civilised and have a decent conversation!

          If Herbalife was a healthy way to live then everyone would be doing it. they’re not.

          Fair

          • Herbs life is full of not very good ingredients. If you want an amazing protein drink, why don’t you try organically grown New Zealand Barley grass. It is far more nutritious than anything herbalife can offer you. Google it and you will see what a superfood it is compared to their rubbish.

        • You sound bitter and unintelligent. If you think people’s standard eating is fast food and chocolate equals sugar. Real chocolate actually doesn’t have sugar in it.

        • Look doesnt matter how to choose to live your health part of your life…do what you want eat what you want all this talk about herbalife and its bad that’s bull before herbalife I was a over weight mom I was always sick in and out of hospital why because I ate unhealthy” fast food” I got on herbalife in 2011 been on it since am the most healthiest I have ever been I can care less about your facts its just Internet bull sorry but true I did my research before I started and yes we want to help people get healthy because come on look at this economy over weight number one sorry what they are putting in there body’s is three times worse then all these ingredients you can’t pronounce look them up stop Looking for the negative part of herbalife and the ingredients because that’s what you are doing people so stop talking shit and get full facts because all a reading is what you think is bad well I k ow my facts so stop judging herbalife ok

          • dani stout

            Nowhere in your incoherent babbling of a run on sentence did I read one single thing that made any sort of sense.

            “I can care less about your facts its just Internet bull sorry but true I did my research before I started”

            Yes, clearly you are unconcerned with facts and have no idea what one is.

          • a friend of mine did herbalife, after a few months she was diagnosed with gallstones, the dr asked her if she had ever done a juice or shake diet like herbalife or juice plus she said yes and he said that the herbalife was the cause of the gallstones, the damage was irreversable and at 25 years old she had to have her gall bladder removed, when she was waiting for her operation in the hospital she asked several people what they were having done and each of them said they had gallstones due to either herbalife or juice plus. how is that a healthy diet?

        • Naveen Roberts Reply

          Well put Aaron. I guess where Herbalife went wrong was not pay the owner of this website for writing something good….hence the trash.

          • dani stout

            No one pays me to write anything, I write what I want.

            I understand that you’re upset because I pointed out the fact that Herbalife is complete garbage, but I think we all need to employ some common sense; who would even pay me to write this?

        • Let me tell you a little something about Herbalife here A-A-RON! If you don’t get that reference then you clearly live in a cave. Anyways, I am a 21 year old female who had struggled with an eating disorder and body image issues for years (currently in remission, BOO YEAH!) and part of my journey to get healthy including visiting a nutritionist. Now, as you can imagine beginning a healthy lifestyle after not eating anything and purging anything I did eat was tough. It’s something you have to start off slow so you don’t shock your body.

          Once I got to a point where I was able to have a normal and healthy diet, I wanted to tone down a little bit. Now, when building muscle, protein is muy importante and it was something I was not getting enough of, since I am a runner I generally favor carbs. So of course, I decided to turn to protein powders. I went to my nutritionist and asked him about different brands of products and then I mentioned something about Herbalife and his expression changed completely. Yep, I got a lecture. You see if you’re looking for a healthy protein powder option, you do no want a laundry list of ingredients. With food in general there shouldn’t be a novel under the ingredients (but let’s be honest some of that shit is good). So after using protein powders and products which my nutritionist calls “the lazy way.” I decided to only use them on occasion.

          The best way to actually get protein is to eat foods that have it. WHAT?! THERE ARE ACTUAL FOODS THAT HAVE PROTEIN!? NO WAY! Yeah and guess what else! Whether you’re vegan, paleo (did I butcher that spelling, probably), vegetarian, kosher, gluten free, or whatever there are still foods that fit into your diet that have protein! WOAH!

          In short, protein powders are nice to have, but replacing meals with shakes is not a healthy weight loss alternative. I never tried Herbalife, but I’ve read enough to know not to. Once you hit 70 pounds and have to be fed through feeding tubes you really think twice about what you put in your body. If you really want a good protein powder, find one without flavor enhancements. It’s going to taste like shit, but man up and drink it.

          Also, fuck you and what you said about brownies. If I want to indulge I am going to eat a brownie because that shit is delicious. It’s called moderation. Believe it or not you don’t have to give up the food you love if you learn how to portion control. Of course, you’re just too lazy and frankly probably could not adjust to a healthy lifestyle that way because you have become to addicted to your Herbalife products.

          And you “herbfreaks” are probably going to drink some spiked shake one day and die together. That’s how all cults like to go out. But what do I know. I only had to focus on healthy living and nutrition for 7 years so that I was able to be in remission for and eating disorder, so I probably don’t know anything about eating healthy. (That was sarcasm for those who did not catch that.)

          • Eggs are NOT whole foods, they are animal by-products. Vegetables, legumes, beans, fruits, nuts, grains & seeds are whole foods. P.S. Bacon (as much as you would like to lie to yourself) is not healthy. I don’t care where your fried pig fat comes from, it’s an artery clogger.

          • dani stout

            Maybe you don’t understand the meaning of the word whole, but it’s an unprocessed food from nature. An egg is exactly that – it’s also extremely nutrient dense. Even more so than any plant based food. Don’t get me wrong, veggies, fruits, nuts, seeds are good, whole foods as well.

            You clearly don’t understand basic nutritional science. Please refrain from making unfounded comments on my site.

        • Aaron your reply just actually made me laugh! If you enjoy helping people get to “their ideal weight” with chemicals and fake food have at it, but people need to know that it’s junk. The fact that you are comparing an egg (a whole food) to the science experiment that is herbalife is laughable. SMH…

        • I love you!

          People surfing for ‘negative’ information about Herbalife, per say, will find Dani’s site.

          I’m sure growing up, she was fed a McDonalds burger once or twice and its particles are still trapped somewhere in that 100yards of intestines of her lower GI tract! Ouch.

          I myself, a college-educated military vet, alongside my husband, LOVE LOVE LOVE Herbalife!

          Imagine sitting in a world where all you do is count calories, or carbs, or wonder if EVERY particle of what you’re eating is a GMO.

          I didn’t serve in this country to have someone like Dani try and tell me that the company, Herbalife, with the #1 Meal-Replacement Shake in America, is a Scam, or Bad for You, or a Pyramid scheme.

          BTW: Pyramid Business – Lets take your local police department:

          You have the Chief of Police, Deputies, LTs, SSgts, etc.
          The folks at the bottom can never make more than the folk at top.

          Now Herbalife: I got into this business because we LOVE LOVE LOVE the shakes and green tea!

          Pyramid? I make more than the two people that sponsored me by bringing me to my first Nutrition Club!

          We are HELPING people that are diabetic, have high cholesterol, obese, lack energy, and the list goes on!

          This includes my family! We aren’t giving our money away to GNC, or Cost Plus, or Vitamin Shoppe, we are investing in our HEALTH and FUTURE.

          Now Dani, go have your hostess donut!

          Hoorah to Herbalife!

          This message has been approved by two American military vets!

          • dani stout

            I’m not sure if constant your constant Hebralife intake has hindered your ability compute basic information – but who here is eating Hostess Donuts? Because it sure as hell ain’t me. My website is about real food and nutrition based on science, history and fact. Something you clearly know nothing about. And are you unable to read a basic ingredient label? Because no one who has even a basic level of nutritional information would look at these ingredients and think they’re healthy.

            So let me ask you what I ask every single other Herbalife supporter (that not a single one of you has been able to answer):

            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain GMOs?
            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain hydrogenated and trans fats?
            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain artificial sweetener?
            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain soy?
            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain MSG?
            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain rancid vegetable oils?
            If Herbalife is healthy, why does it contain processed ingredients and preservatives that are devoid of nutrition?

            I look forward to your response.

          • Yet another MLM fanatic who thoroughly believes everything that’s pushed at her. And of course because she’s making more than anyone else on the planet that negates all other qualities about the product and the business.

            The hostess Donut is no different in quality than the crap you tout. Although there’s possibly less shit ingredients in the Donut.

            Your qualifications mean nothing CharlySue and I loathe individuals that pull the whole military thing with a passion!!!!!!!!

            “I didn’t serve in this country to have someone like Dani Tell Me”…

            No and we don’t want someone like you CharlySue using and abusing the fact of a military background to come on here and sound off the way you have. Your career choice lady nobody else’s, is that all you can bring to the discussion CharlySue? it’s pathetic.

            Belief and fact, proper unbiased, scientific peer reviewed fact, are two entirely different things CharlySue. But when the bucks are rolling in the facts don’t count, isn’t that another classic MLM line trotted out at the monthly meetings and big events CharlySue???…usually by the big earners and high level pins stood on stage being treated like gods and celebrities. Pyramids within pyramids is what MLM is all about.

          • What a moron! Lol!100 yard of intestines! That’s 300 feet! And I love that because you’re “supposed ” military , that makes you a nutritionist! Lol! Go drink some more Herbashit hopefully you’ll all do yourselves in! Lol!

          • Hi,
            Im just wondering if you read your post? It just doesn’t make much sense.
            Well done for serving your country, I have friend and family in the forces.

          • Just the fact of being in the army (unless for strict financial reasons) makes you not reliable enough to read the rest of your post. 🙁

          • Your a disgrace to the Military, first off by being involved in ruining other peoples health by filling them lies about a product. But, you also just brought local police departments into it. What a disgrace….I have upmost respect for our military and our police, but for you , I have none.

        • Well actually if you are into the health thing why aren’t YOU doing it for a starters instead of inciting people who don’t know better to eat herbalife gunge which damages the DNA of the body! – Its hard to replace the damaged DNA and it gives people cancer as well as makes you look older faster. Never mind the fast track way of dieting.

          Its good we have criticsim from health people, that is how we stop people eating stuff thats bad for them.

          Get educated in what you are doing.

        • Calling soy a better alternative to McDonalds is like saying that a sore throat is better than AIDS… I could do without both.

        • Aaron, surely you’d be better off promoting a way of consuming healthy nutrition other than the completely processed product that you do?

          You’ve replied to Dani’s post the same way as every other MLM distributor/Independent Business Owner/Health and Wellness Coach does when their business is called into question. If you are a qualified nutritionist then that’s great but I’m going to stick my neck out here and say you’re not. In which case you have no business going anywhere near anyone with your snake oil.

          Even if you were, I’d call that into question as the standard nutrition advice handed out today is completely incorrect. Get to know your field my friend and how human biology really works. While you’re about it look into human genetics and discover how we’re no different genetically than our ancient ancestors from 10,000 years ago. Then perhaps you can tell me if when our ancestors awoke each morning, and left their cave or shelter to search or hunt for food, if they popped down to their nearest corner shop and bought a loaf of bread and a pint of milk. Or maybe they visited their local Herbalife distributor and purchased a wholesome tub of genetically modified, processed powder.

          I know, I know Herbalife backs it all up with some science but it’s not hard to apply science to a product to show it’s beneficial when you’re selling it. EVERY MLM company does it, the Healthy Chocolate one, the air purification systems one, all the other nutrition based MLM’s out there they all do it. Why? because if science says works then it must be right…. err right??

          The fact is Aaron we didn’t start consuming these types of food throughout our entire species evolution except in the last 5,000 -10,000 years and then the stuff you’re touting, in less than the last fifty years. So pleeease do tell me how, if for around 2-4 million years we ate foods available to us from nature and in whole form, the crap you are touting is beneficial to the human species?

          Don’t follow the herd mentality Aaron all it will do is lighten your wallet considerably and at the expense of the health of others.

        • I couldn’t agree with you more Aaron. Why spend your time trying to make other companies look bad just for you to stand out? That’s like screaming for attention and wasting your energy on people that are actually making positive impacts on other people’s lives like how mine changed. I know people that have been on the products for 35 years! and look better than you and I together. So, my suggestion would be, to really focus on the positive and not on the negative. Actually how you see others is just a reflection of you. Herbalife does not only promote healthy lifestyle but also personal development which honestly I think this girl is lacking (constructive criticism) If you really believe in what you do then go for it, keep helping others and keep sharing what you know, but I don’t think its necessary to talk about things that you don’t really even know about. At the end, there’s no perfect product or company or us. We are just humans trying to improve this planet. We can’t for sure know what is true and what is not.

          • dani stout

            How in the world am I lacking honesty? What am I being dishonest about?

            I’m not the one promoting toxic ingredients, trans fats and GMOs and selling it to people who don’t know any better. You are a just a human trying to improve this planet…by destroying it with GMOs? Clearly, I’m not the one hear talking about things “you don’t really even know about.” Which is pretty pathetic, considering you likely consume or sell Herbalife – and have no idea about the basic ingredient list.

            I wrote this article for the people who are duped into thinking this is a healthy product. For the people unknowingly consuming hydrogenated oils, preservatives, processed and carcinogenic ingredients. If you are too daft to understand the simple facts I have presented here – that’s fine. But do not ever call me dishonest.

          • Carolina – if you think Aaron’s reply has some value…. you seriously need to take a long hard look at yourself.
            Everyone has the right to be informed of the risks and what the products actually contain.

            I HAVE used the products after being persuaded by someone who is clears brainwashed and after using them for about 4 months with no results I too started to investigate.
            ALL of the products are FULL of garbage and are NOT meal replacements. No one should be replacing food with this shit. If someone told you to replace food with air, as someone they knew did and it worked would you believe them? I’m sick to death of these ” coaches” talking like that are nutritionists and personal trainers. NO one I met though Herbalife was either of the above. Where do these people get off handing out information about healthy lifestyles, and fitness when they actually have no backing. Going to a meeting and listening to people talk about how much money they have made from selling them isn’t helping anyone apart from themselves!!

            These said “coaches” pray on people who are at their lowest, and looking for solutions – including me! They literally poses no moral compass whatsoever. How can they even be allowed to sell these products at wedding fairs and on facebook etc. I’m pretty sure if the people knew about the fact that their so called friends and coaches were making money every time they purchased these over priced loads of shit they’d be horrified.

            Id’ be interested to see how many people have had serious medical condition’s from using this and what this CULT has to say about it!

          • Wow good job Herbalife! Able to suck money from someone for 35 years!

        • Thank you Aaron!! I only clicked this article because it said “unbiased” but right off the bat she was bashing Herbalife…thought this was unbiased? Neither at any point, during her rant, did she ever provide her own or any data backing up her claims…true or not. So right away I knew the post was crap…just wanted to see how deep it was. Good thing I wore my boots!!

          • dani stout

            You do realize you can remain unbiased and still provide a negative review, right?

            You also don’t seem to realize that I provided several studies. Not sure how considering I directly provided links that you wouldn’t seen had you actually read the article.

            I’ll ask you what I ask literally every single other Herbalife supporter that NONE of you have been able to answer:

            How is processed soy healthy?
            How is gluten healthy?
            How are GMOs healthy?
            How are artificial sweeteners healthy?
            How is MSG healthy?
            How are hydrogenated oils healthy?

            I eagerly await your reply, though I doubt I’ll ever receive it. The only “crap” here is your ignorant comment.

        • i love herbalife. i’ve been a client for alomst 4 years and do the business for 3. i have my own nutrition center where i help people improve their health. most come for weight loss other for simple nutrition. and a few to gain healthy weight. there are just soooo many amazing testimonials out there that you should listen to. i have met so many amazing people along the way. it’s helping me health wise and financially. it’ truly is a wonderful company to be part of. and if you didn’t know. herbalife formula 1 shake is the #1 meal replacement taken more around the world!! 94 countries and growing. eventually you will find out.

          • dani stout

            You don’t have a nutrition center where you help people, you have a diet center where people lose weight through dangerous and detrimental means.

            If Herbalife is as healthy as you say it is, please answer the following questions that NO Herbalife supporter has ever been able to:

            How are GMOs healthy?
            How is processed soy healthy?
            How are trans fats healthy?
            How is MSG healthy?
            How are rancid, omega-6, inflammatory oils healthy?

            Eventually you will find out how unhealthy this garbage is.

        • a brownie is a brownie, and chocolate=sugar, what about your “chocolate flavoured” shakes, bars etc then? if we’re going by that logic.

          Herbalife workers might say some seemingly good things like avoiding sugar and processed food but what do they sell? Most of their products have about 20g of sugar in them per serving and are processed, containing toxic chemicals. Despite all the sugar, you still lose weight, why? yes you would if youre replacing 2 meals a day with 200cal shakes, meaning your daily intake barely even hits the 1000cal mark. Just like some people are skinny living off of chocolate and sweets etc, because they don’t pass their daily requirement of calories, yet what little they eat is full of sugar and has no nutritional value

        • I am a personal trainer with nutrition qualifications and an experienced psychotherapist. I life in the UK and am deeply concerned at the influx of so called healthy weight lose products (herbalife, visalus, forever, etc) that are being pushed/shoved and miss sold to vulnerable people. The information being given is misleading. Aaron I understand that herbalife run get fit days but only with the intention to sell the product, which is deficient nutritionally, and it isn’t about long term health changes with the client in mind. Im disturbed by the amount of people that have half a day of training and then are branded as wellness/wellbeing coaches, see the truth that it is a multi level marketing scheme with money and not health as the focus.
          Im pleased that you get satisfaction from what you do and Im not suggesting that you are evil.
          Im assuming that you have trained in some form of sports or fitness instruction?
          Bacon and other real food is better that herbalife as it contains
          complete essential amino acids from a natural source.
          I realise this is an old post however I have been looking into these fad diets and so i have only come across it now.

          Dani stout I look forward to reading more of you work

          Luke

        • Aaron. Healthy eating is not that complicated. Start with Raw lean meat. Cook it without adding fats. Add fresh veggies… Low Cal health meal.
          If you buy Chicken and the poduct lists 20 ingredients something is wrong.

        • I’m just coming across this article now, but I have to say the thing with fad diets and diets that require people to eat their products is junk. Once a person no longer eats the food or follows the fad the weight comes back. Diets are designed to fail. If a person wants to lose weight and maintain that weight they need a lifestyle change, not a diet.

        • thats a good response, but my main question wich goes for many people who blog against a product.. have they ever tried the program or products ??
          its not that expensive to give herbalife a go & make up your own decision, I DID & i may not agree with everything on herbalife, i do know the program & products i use are AMAZING & have changed my life.
          thank you. HERBALIFE

          • dani

            I don’t need to try crack to know it’s not good for me.

        • But why does herbalife use random people who know nothing about nutrition to be distributors? Why not health professionals? Why not teach general populations how to create healthy products, why just sell them? Some of the distributors are fat themselves and never changed but are good sales people who sell sand at sea. Not good at all.

        • Crista Carroll Reply

          I’m very confused now because I just got my free Herbalife seeable and I was in love and now she’s telling me that it is so bad for you I don’t know what to do now and my cousin’s in love with it she’s a promoter

        • You drank the Herbalife koolaid! Can I throw a luluroe party at your house? Will you buy my itworks hair strengthening serum? You are my type of sheep!

          • dani

            That was one of those asinine comments I’ve received on this article.

      • She is so right this stuff is toxic look at the reports of liver damage I did not make that up. Why would anybody use that crap If you don’t know what the hell is in it why would you put that in your body period.

        • dani stout Reply

          Could you provide a link to the ingredients you’d like reviewed?

      • i am not going into a long winded reply, i am a normal everyday person…i use herbalife and i have never felt better in myself..it is for nutrition that i use it…i know what my body felt like years ago & during the time i had breast cancer not long ago & how i feel now whilst using herbalife…yes i agree it would be better if we could get all our nutritional needs from food, but unfortunately good food is more expensive that junk food…as a holistic coach are you not advising people on what they require in their bodies, does this not cost money…i also noticed that you may receive monetary or other benefits for what you put on this blog…there are many weightloss products in chemists, supermarkets etc…am i going to be able to read imformation on these as well to keep things even…

        • dani stout Reply

          Aren’t breast cancer patients supposed to be on low estrogen diets?

          • Only certain types of breast cancer are considered estrogen positive. I know because I am almost 4 years post diagnosis of aggressive stage 3 breast cancer – ER, PR and HER-2 positive. After my diagnosis, I did a ton of research on nutrition and was shocked that what I THOUGHT had been a healthy diet was filled with genetically modified foods, chemicals and more carcinogens than I care to mention. Since then I have worked to overhaul my diet and do what I can to prevent a recurrence.

            I was recently introduced to Herbalife when I attended a Zumba class they hosted. Before consuming a shake, I asked all the appropriate questions and got (what I thought) positive answers. I drank the shake (4 over the course of 2 weeks) but noticed I felt horrible afterwards. I finally asked to see the ingredient list. (My bad for not doing so beforehand.) The reason I felt so terrible is the shakes contain dairy. And I am allergic.

            I had informed the Herbalife rep that I was allergic to dairy and soy was not an option for me. I was assured it wouldn’t be a problem. That while some of their products contained dairy, one product would perfectly fit my needs.

            I naively (again, taking 100% of the blame) believed what I was told. I thought I had finally stumbled upon a cool new option for the occasional protein shake I like to have after a workout.

            To make my long story even longer, I decided to purchase a canister of the product to have at home. I didn’t look at the ingredient list until I got home. I was SHOCKED! Not only was the lengthy list riddled with ingredients I couldn’t pronounce, it also contained dairy!

            Once again, I have no one to blame but myself. No one. However, my eyes were opened to several things that day. One – ALWAYS investigate and read ingredient lists. Don’t take someone’s word for it. Two – Not everyone’s idea of “healthy” is the same. Three – Not everyone will understand nor appreciate my nutritional choice. Most will make fun of them. Four – I am proudly one of “those” people. The kind of people who possess a passion for sharing the truth about the good, the bad and the ugly of what we consume in the name of healthy eating.

            One more point, and this is the one that saddens me the most. When I returned the products for a refund, I was told “not to worry…several cancer survivors were using the products and seemed to be just fine.” The only response I had was to say “I once seemed to be just fine too.”

            Thank you for posting the truth. For standing strong against opposing views. Consider me a fan.

          • dani stout

            This comment seriously made me tear up. Thank you so much!

        • Natalie Robson Reply

          Might I just suggest something…As normally when you buy these products, you get given a meal plan and a plan which helps you to exercise? try doing both of them without the products you’ve brought. I’m pretty sure that what some people need and what the distributors try to do is tempt you in with all the support and plans already done for you. If there was something out there, that just went with a healthy and exercise plan which was provided to a person, along with all the support, then people would still lose weight and be healthier at the same time.

      • Thank you so much for the information packed resources that has helped me tremendously in my research of the complicated long list of Herbalife ingredients. If I may just offer one word of advice. The cursing detracts from the information and professionalism that it deserves. It is highly valuable information that should be viewed with the utmost professionalism. Many thanks again!

        • dani stout Reply

          Thanks for comment! Are you referring to my saying “hell”? I really don’t even consider that a curse word.

      • Well you areasking continously asking about GMO’. I personelly contacted the health autauthoriti
        es where they clearly statedd that they are using proteins from NON GMO sources. Health ministry of every country do keep eyes on them so they have to go through every test. And remember dear its your illusion that whenever we design the diet , we always pull them to have shake all the time. Nope. I personelly see that what food i can personelly introduce into their diet with combinationof shake. For your info just recieved a good compliment from 60 year old lady who had ggouts 2 months back. Now her reports are ok and she can freely walk on her knees. 🙂

        • dani stout Reply

          It’s difficult to understand this barely coherent comment, but no – Herbalife does not use NON-GMO sources, at least in the US. They specifically use GMO soy, corn and canola. I’ve made this abundantly clear and have confirmed it with the company.

          • I am not a fan of Herbalife. Quite the contrary. But this mantra you keep repeating that GMO’s are not safe is getting old. There is no evidence to suggest that GMO is bad for you. That does not mean that soy protein GMO or non-GMO would be good for a diet.
            I see you have a lot of good arguments, but this anti-GMO stance is ridiculous considering you have no evidence for it.

          • dani

            Actually I provided a myriad of evidence, including scientific literature and peer reviewed studies. The World Health Organization has even labeled glyphosate as a probable human carcinogen. If you’re unable to comprehend the studies, the information available regarding GMOs and the basic fact that they are proved time and again to be unsafe for human consumption, well, I don’t really know what to tell you.

      • All of your so called information is biased, and comes from the internet. You say bacon and brownies can be healthy you have credibility and like i said all your information is from the internet which is public domain, which means people like you that “hate” certain things can site off and sound smart, when half your sentances contain curses. Also lets see you deny all the results said company has helped make, and lives they changed, if its not one company its another, and another thing there is 0 solid proff that GMOs cause health problems.

        • dani stout Reply

          You realized that medical journals, universities, nutrition journals, etc. post their information on the internet, right?

          This isn’t 1968. I don’t need to go to a library for accurate information. Are you suggesting I get my information elsewhere? Because I also provided links to books…

          And did you not even look at the studies I linked to regarding GMOs? There’s a reason they’re banned in over 60 countries.

          And yes, pastured bacon is healthy. It’s an organic piece of meat full of vitamins and monounsaturated fats. My brownie recipe is grain-free, GMO-free, sugar-free, vegetable oil free and preservative free – UNLIKE HERBALIFE.

        • How could you not lose weight, when twice a day you’re drinking a shake instead of eating real food?! I could get any protein powder and have it twice a day and lose weight! Herbalife is horrible!

      • I don’t know where everyone lives; but if you have ever visited Los Angeles, you will see one of the biggest herd of Herbal Life sheeple ever. One of the corporate offices is in Carson, CA (Los angeles) area. Redondo Beach + South Bay is full of the sheep pushing their products like crack at the weekly “Fitness Group” gatherings right on the beach with all their green shirts everywhere. (although they offer free fitness on the beach, its where they will up sell products and recruit) Every time I see them, I just snicker; knowing they are recruiting their next sucker.

      • Lol@author Reply

        I usually don’t respond to junk blog articles but felt compelled with this one as it is a sitting duck. I’ve been with Herbalife for five years and have been a nutrition specialist and strength and conditioning coach for the l last decade. Articles like this are nothing but obstacles to progress. We’re all trying to help people, there are dozens of other MLMs around and Herbalife has been around for 35 years. Since it is direct sales it would take a mind encased in concrete not to see the obvious; a direct sales company does not goodish for over the decades, even through a tough economy, without a high quality product. It simply would not happen. I’ve used the products myself and am in the best shape of my life. I do not get sick. I do not get injured like every other tendonitis-prone gym rat out there. I have amazing energy. I have helped people lose over 50 lbs routinely, get off medications and increase energy. I have seen enough results to be convinced. As for your arguments about ingredients, there’s not a whole lot of point in arguing as we could both find evidence supporting our views, thus the age lf problem with online blog articles, full of hazy studies and polarized views. As for GMO soy, go ahead and mark that one of the list, as ours is all non-gmo if you would have done your research, which you have not which is glaringly obvious. You may be able to hook the clueless 99% but not myself. I researched every ingredient in the products before signing up, as I share your passion for knowledge. And you know what? I was shocked at how healthy the ingredients are. While you hinted at all the “bad stuff and chemicals” you obviously don’t have a firm grasp of chemistry as not all are that bad. You failed to list the numerous cancer preventing super antioxidants in the products. So this is in fact the opposite of an unbiased article as the only sources I see are .gov sites, the pinnacle of corruption, and three food labels. What outstanding research you deserve a round of applause, or laughter. I really get a good chuckle out of mainstream “nutrition experts” that demonize companies they know absolutely nothing about. Did you know about our “seed to feed” program? I would venture a guess of no. I mean this more as an educational response but I’m sure it won’t come off this way. You’re not the first keyboard expert to confront me about the products. I’ll tell you exactly what I tell the other extremists who seek to find any way to justify hating other people because they don’t do what you do, and the same thing I tell nitpicky and negative potential clients: you can keep your problem, we’ll keep our solution.

        • dani Reply

          It’s really sad when I know more about the product you sell and dupe people into buying than you do. You might want to actually contact your company about their use of GMO soy. I’m fully aware of the seed to feed program – which uses GMO seeds.

          If someone has actually researched all of these ingredients and still sells it, there’s just a lack of integrity there that is beyond words.

        • To LOL@author,

          You say you are a strength and conditioning coach and a ‘nutrition specialist’ (which I assume is just a Herbalife label, as that is neither a dietician or nutritionist)… yet you are promoting Herbalife… that must be embarrassing for you. I can only assume that is why you haven’t added your name to your post, can you imagine the respect you would lose amongst your educated peers if they knew you were associated with that junk? Lol

          Aside from the horrible ingredients all weight loss from these shakes can be attributed to a calorie deficit. Through time this reduces your BMR as you lose lean tissue making it harder to maintain and even harder to adjust in future to a healthy diet/lifestyle.

      • I am a fat man in the process of losing weight. I came here to get an unbiased review of Herbalife. Which I recently started, and doing some homework to see if I should continue. I am by no means a herbazealot, for you to title this blog an “unbiased” review is totally invalidated by suggesting us readers to check out your 21 day plan. You also don’t offer a look from both sides (not that you have too). Your unbiased title would carry more validity if you did. To sum up, some of what you’ve said make sense, but because I can’t take it as “unbiased ” and you seem more bashing and a “Herba-hater” I now have wasted time reading and writing this response because you titled it Unbiased. Plus I also now feel as if I need to do more research which is what I was hoping an Unbiased blog would resolve. Do me and others who are real people change the title.

        • dani Reply

          Even if it is a biased review, I provided plenty of scientific literature to back up all of my statements. The ingredients in these products are not healthy.

    • A multi-level marketing company is not a “pyramid scheme.” The definition of pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public. Just because a business is set up like a pyramid, which all businesses are set up that way even corporations, doesn’t make the above definition true. There are actually specific things that have to be met for it to not be one and shut down by the FTC which Herbalife and hundreds of other direct selling companies in fact meet. I do not sell or even like Herbalife but it just makes my blood boil when comments like this are said because they aren’t true and take away credibility from those that spew them.

      • dani stout Reply

        I haven’t said anything about Herbalife being a pyramid scheme. I am more concerned with the damage it does to people and the fact that they use GMO ingredients, which are destroying the environment.

        • Yes you are right, GMO products are destroying the environment and aren’t very good for your health. Raw foods are the best for the body, they keep it in an alkaline state where disease is far less likely to start. I read a book many years ago called ‘Fit for Life’ by Harvey & Marilyn Diamond which talked about the principals of ‘Natural Hygeine’. I have lived by these principals ever since and find that things only go wrong, ie weight gain, fatigue, illness etc, when I stray from them. Please buy a copy if you can, it’s very interesting. I have found it very interesting reading all your opinions. Good for thought x

    • You and the writer obviously need to go back to school to learn what a pyramid schemebis and investigate properly before publishing your false statements and accusations. Once more, due to your ignorance, you do not understand how nutritionbin your body works or the indepth detail of the products

      • dani stout Reply

        I never said it’s a pyramid scheme, seems like you’re a little insecure about that yourself. I don’t understand nutrition? Is that a joke? Please explain to me how genetically modified ingredients, denatured proteins full of phytoestrogens, processed and toxic ingredients and trans/hydrogenated fats are good for you??

        • I know herbalife contains gmo”s but doesn’t that bring the majority of the big gym brands (I use the term widely) down? They all contain gmos too, pretty much any supplement in a tub will do so. Therefore shouldn’t your argument be with not just herbalife butany other brands?

          • dani stout

            No. You may have noticed that the protein powder I linked to is 100% organic and grass-fed, and only contains one ingredients. Furthermore, I was specifically asked to do a review of Herbalife which is how this article was born.

          • dani stout

            Hells yeah I eat bacon. I’ll take an organic piece of meat full of vitamins and monounsaturated fats over GMOs, processed soy, hydrogenated fats and MSG any day.

            Duh.

          • Bacon contains real fat from real pork and real protein. Unlike the carcinogenic ingredients found in Herbalife products.

        • Hi dani I live in turkey, I was sucked into becoming a distributor, what i mistake that was.Ive watched how my so called sponsors push the products onto people without really noing the ingredients themselves, they class themselves as wellness coaches surley a wellness coach should no what the product is.When i asked my sponsor what do i do if asked about the ingredients there answer was tell them to read the lable.They know nothing about the products yet when advising people who are on a diet they push the shake, thermo complete, herbal tea, aloe vera, lift off and niteworks.All in the name of making money i am sickened by this.My question to you was in europe the shakes are soya protein in turkey it is pea protein do you have any information on this. Thank you for this great post and goodbye to Herbalife. Please excuse my english

          • dani stout

            I know they change the ingredients from country to country but I’m not positive what they use in Turkey. You can contact customer service, they should be able to tell you.

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbalife

        Pyramid scheme allegations[edit]
        In November 2011, the Commercial Court in Brussels, Belgium ruled that Herbalife was an illegal pyramid scheme.[4]
        Herbalife responded to the Belgium decision by stating “Herbalife believes the judgment contains factual errors and is based on misinterpretations of the law and its direct-selling sales model. Herbalife remains committed to its multi-level direct-selling sales model and is confident that, with clarifications in certain aspects of its business, there will be no doubt as to its compliance with all applicable Belgian laws.”[81] The company filed an appeal on March 8, 2012.[82]
        On May 1, 2012, a well-known short seller David Einhorn asked pointed questions about the company’s business and sales models during the Q1 earnings call, setting off suspicions that Einhorn had a short position.[83][84] These suspicions were proven correct in January 2013 when at an investor meeting Einhorn revealed that he had profited through a short position against the company. Einhorn said the short had been closed before the end of 2012.[85]
        On December 20, 2012, Bill Ackman (of Pershing Square Capital) presented a series of arguments outlining why his firm believed that Herbalife operates a “sophisticated pyramid scheme”.[8][10] Ackman has alleged after a year-long investigation that the majority of distributors lose money, that the chance of making the testimonial-implied headline income is approximately one in five thousand, and that the company materially overstates its distributors’ retail sales and understates their recruiting rewards, to the point that he concludes it is a pyramid scheme.[86]
        Ackman claimed that Herbalife distributors “primarily obtain their monetary benefits from recruitment rather than the sale of goods and services to consumers.” His firm estimates that, since 1980, the scheme has led to more than $3.5 billion of total net losses suffered by those at the bottom of the Herbalife chain. He said on CNBC that millions of low income people around the world, hoping to become millionaires are being duped with this scheme and if they knew that to make hundred thousand dollars, what Herbalife calls the “millionaires team”, there is a fraction of less than 1%, no one would sign up for it.[87]
        According to a number of financial commentators, Ackman put on a roughly $1 billion bet against the company;[88] soon after remarks to the press the price of the stock decreased such that Ackman would have made $300 million if he had closed his short position then.[89] Ackman stated that he will donate all of his profits from the trade to charity, taking the financial incentive out of the equation.[87][90] A few months after Ackman’s initial comments, billionaire investor Carl Icahn refuted Ackman’s comment in a very public spat on national TV. Shortly thereafter, Carl Icahn bought a huge stake in Herbalife Intl. As Carl Icahn continued to buy up HLF shares, the stock price continued to show strength. Carl Icahn now owns 16% of Herbalife Intl. Furthermore, Investor George Soros bought up a large percentage of Herbalife Intl. The HLF stock is now above $64 a share (as of August 13, 2013), and Bill Ackman now is showing a paper loss of over $300,000,000.
        Herbalife Responded to Ackman’s presentation saying “Today’s presentation was a malicious attack on Herbalife’s business model based largely on outdated, distorted and inaccurate information. Herbalife operates with the highest ethical and quality standards, and our management and our board are constantly reviewing our business practices and products. Herbalife also hires independent, outside experts to ensure our operations are in full compliance with laws and regulations. Herbalife is not an illegal pyramid scheme.”[91]
        The New York Post, through a Freedom of Information Act request, reported that HerbaLife is subject to a pending probe from the FTC.[when?] The FTC released 729 pages containing 192 complaints received over a 7-year period in regards to the New York Post FOIA request. After reviewing the now-public complaints, which the FTC put on its website, Ackman told The Post: “I have a lot more confidence in our government’s regulators than those who own the stock.” [92] The following day, the New York Post published a report that the FTC claimed that the wording the New York Post reporter interpreted to indicate that Herbalife “is the subject of a law enforcement investigation” was incorrect and said that it could not confirm, or deny, an investigation into the nutritional supplements company.[93]

        • The Dubious Promotion of Herbalife’s Niteworks

          Stephen Barrett, M.D.

          Herbalife would like you believe that taking Niteworks™ will benefit your heart. The product was formulated by Louis J. Ignarro, PhD., professor of molecular and medical pharmacology at the UCLA School of Medicine, who shared the 1998 Nobel Prize in Medicine for his research concerning nitric oxide as a signaling molecule in the cardiovascular system [1,2]. This article tells why I believe that Niteworks is being promoted with improper claims and Ignarro’s conduct has been highly questionable.

          • Ignaro’s Promotion

            In June 2003, Ignarro was featured at Herbalife’s Extravaganza in Las Vegas, where he talked to thousands of enthusiastic Herbalife distributors for more than an hour. As part of Ignarro’s introduction, Herbalife’s CEO MIchael O. Johnson played a video in which Ignarro said: “We’ve done a lot of work to show that one does not have to take prescription drugs to be effective in treating cardiovascular disease. One can just engage in natural sorts of things—dietary supplements . . . exercise, diets that are low in fat, and so on. All of these things increase or enhance nitric acid production in the body; and the more nitric oxide that is produced, the more protection you have against cardiovascular disease.” [5] The video ended with a plea from Ignarro “take this message to tens of millions of people out there.”

            Ignarro’s walk to the stage was accompanied by loud music, rhythmic clapping, and audience cheering that resembled what happens when boxers and wrestlers are introduced at championship events. Before and after speaking, Ignarro spent several minutes giving autographs to distributors who pressed toward him with papers held high. His talk covered his research; the physiological characteristics of nitric oxide; his Nobel award; his beliefs about Niteworks; and what taking the product has done for him, his wife, and his friends. During parts of his talk, he seemed euphoric. The audience lapped it all up; many portions of his talk were met with applause and enthusiastic shouts.

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            The “scientific” part of Ignarro’s talk was centered around a slide show titled “No More Heart Disease: The Nitric Oxide Story.” After promising to provide “easy steps you can take to prevent cardiovascular disease,” and “what we can do to reverse this process,” he stated that Herbalife’s “Cellular Nutrition Program nourishes all the cells in the body” and that nitric oxide can do the same. He went on to describe how nitric oxide allows cells to “communicate” with each other and can help prevent a wide variety of diseases. He claimed that among other things, it can help lower blood pressure, improve blood flow, inhibit clotting (to prevent strokes and heart attacks); prevents against early stages of atherosclerosis; prevent vascular complications of diabetes; protect against ulcers and Alzheimer’s disease; and affect erectile function.

            Click for video clip

            Ignarro further claimed that “cardiovascular disease is associated with localized nitric oxide deficiency,” and that production can be increased by a low-fat diet, mild-to-moderate exercise, smoking cessation, and better “cellular nutrition.” Niteworks, he said, contains the amino acid arginine, which the body converts to nitric oxide; citrulline, which the body “recycles” to arginine; and the antioxidant vitamins A and C, which protect against the destruction (oxidation) of nitric oxide. Although arginine is found in common foods (such as meat, poultry, fish, nuts, cereals, milk and certain vegetables), Ignarro told the audience:

            You probably don’t get sufficient amounts of arginine from your diet. . . . To really get the increased production of nitric oxide that I’d like to see . . . you’d probably have to eat the whole leg of a cow every day or as a barrel of fish. . . . So you should supplement your diet with arginine . . . and the same thing goes for citrulline, which is another amino acid. It’s found together with arginine but is present in much smaller amounts. That’s why it’s particularly important to supplement with citrulline. And, of course, our Niteworks product contains both arginine and citrulline.

            After finishing his “chemistry lesson,” Ignarro focused on the personal experience of himself, his wife and his friends. Among other things, he bragged that after taking Niteworks, he and his wife greatly improved their treadmill performance and that he slept better and generally felt better. He also said that friends had lowered their blood pressure and become less depressed, that “everyone” he knows who took the product had reported substantial benefits; and that he really believes that “soon there will be no more heart disease.” (This statement was followed by a standing ovation from the audience.) The fact that mouse studies and haphazardly collected anecdotes do not provide an adequate basis for Ignarro’s conclusions was not mentioned to the audience.

            A few months after the Extravaganza, the Washington Post published an article in which Ignarro told the reporter that the ingredients in Niteworks generate nitric oxide slowly over a prolonged period so that it can be provided when the body needs it. However, he said that this had been shown so far only in animal studies and test-tube studies with human cells. Ferid Murad, M.D., Ph.D., who directs the Institute of Molecular Medicine at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston and shared the Nobel Prize with Ignarro, said that Niteworks’ blend of ingredients makes sense, except for l-citrulline, which he said acts only marginally in recycling l-arginine and is probably in the product for patenting reasons. Murad also said that Niteworks’ $90-per-month price was obscene because the vitamins C and E are available for pennies a day and arginine is obtainable for about a dollar a day [6].

            Questionable Conduct

            In May 2004, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences published an article by Ignarro and 11 co-authors about a study in which mice with high cholesterol levels who exercised and were given arginine, vitamin C, and vitamin E were compared to sedentary mice and to mice who exercised but did not get the supplements. The researchers found that the supplemented mice developed fewer problems with their coronary arteries [7]. Scientific journals require authors to disclose any financial interest they have in the subject matter they write about. However, the article did not disclose Ignarro’s tie to Herbalife or his financial interest in a product related to the study. In fact, the lack of disclosure and extent of the connection did not come to light until David Evans, an investigative reporter for Bloomberg News, learned how much amount of money was involved as reported in documents submitted to the Securities and Exchange Commission as part of Herbalife’s application to become a publicly-held company. After further investigation, Evans reported:
            •In January 2003, Ignarro and David Brubaker formed a consulting company called Healthwell Ventures LLC to receive royalties for the sale of Niteworks. Brubaker told Evans that Herbalife pays Healthwell 1% of Niteworks sales revenue. Since June 2003, Healthwell has received $1 million, some of which represented an advance payment.
            •When the mouse study was published, UCLA issued a press release in which Ignarro claimed that “what’s good for mice is good for humans” and that the study “shows that supplements work well even in the absence of exercise.” The release didn’t name Herbalife and didn’t disclose Ignarro’s financial interest in Niteworks.
            •Pharmacologist Robert Furchgott, Ph.D., who also shared the 1998 Nobel Prize with Ignarro said that Ignarro’s claims of effectiveness are improperly founded. “They jumped the gun,” he said.” I haven’t seen any properly controlled studies. It just seems to me a mouse model isn’t transferable to humans.” He also said, “I think with the sort of money they’re raking in, they could have done some human studies.”
            •Former New England Journal of Medicine editor Marcia Angell, M.D., agreed that Ignarro needs more than mouse studies to support his claims. “There’s a way to find out if it works in humans,” by conducting clinical trials on people, she said. “You can’t assume it will work for people.” [8]

            Brubaker, who was also an Herbalife distributor, sells Niteworks and other products from his HealthWellLife Web site from 2004 through 2007. Shortly before Evans’s exposé was published, I downloaded a video that contained Ignarro’s Las Vegas presentation followed by an invitation to order Niteworks via Brubaker’s toll-free number. Ignarro’s presentation, combined with the introduction shown at the Extravaganza, has also been promoted through the Herbalife Broadcast Network (HBN), which Herbalife International uses to communicate with its distributors.

            Ignarro notified the journal editor that he thought that disclosing his financial connection to Herbalife was unnecessary because (a) the study was conceived before he teamed up with Herbalife and (b) he had only played a minor role as a reviewer of the article [9]. However, I believe that (a) the connection was established before the article went to press and (b) if Ignarro did enough to get his name on the article, he did enough to require a disclosure. Moreover, the news release associated with the article should have made the disclosure.

            In 2012, a Pershing Square Capital Management report noted that since 2004, Herbalife had paid Ignarro and his affiliated consulting firm more than $15 million since 2004 [10]. In 2013, the Los Angeles Times noted Herbalife’s support of UCLA medical school’s Center for Human Nutrition [11].

            Competition

            Ferid Murad, Ph.D., the third scientist who shared the 1998 Nobel award, has cast his lot with another manufacturer. In December 2004, Leiner Health Products announced that it had created Cardio Discovery™, which it said was “based on 28 years of research by Nobel Prize winner Dr. Ferid Murad.” A company press release stated: “Cardio Discovery helps support the cardiovascular system by increasing production of nitric oxide. Naturally produced in the body, nitric oxide helps to maintain the flexibility of veins and arteries so that blood flows freely. Cardio Discovery contains the amino acids l-arginine and l-glutamine. l-arginine is one of the body’s key nutrient sources for nitric oxide production, which is necessary for the maintenance of a healthy cardiovascular system.” [12] The list price was $32/month, but some distributors were discounting it. Now called Cardio Support, the product retails for $39.95.

            Applicable Laws

            Under federal law, products (except for devices) intended for the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease are drugs, and all drugs must be labeled with adequate directions for use. Labeling includes any written, printed, or graphic material that accompanies a product; and intended use is determined by the facts at hand. Drugs not generally recognized as safe and effective by experts are considered “new” drugs that cannot be marketed in interstate commerce without FDA approval. It is a federal crime to market a new drug that lacks approval or does not bear adequate directions. The 1994 Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) permits dietary supplements to be marketed with “structure/function” claims that are truthful and supported by scientific evidence [13,14]. It appears to me that Niteworks is intended for the prevention of disease but is not generally recognized by experts as safe and effective for this purpose. I also believe that many of the claims made by Herbalife and Ignarro go beyond what DSHEA permits for a dietary supplements. Thus, for example, the claim that Niteworks can lead to “no more heart disease” appears to be illegal as well as preposterous.

            In 1985, the California Attorney General sued Herbalife International and its founder/president Mark Hughes for making false claims about several products. The case was settled in 1986 with a consent agreement under which the defendants paid $850,000 in penalties and were permanently barred from making unsubstantiated health claims for any product [15].

            In 2003, the Federal Trade Commission took action against the marketers of another arginine-containing product (HeartBar) that was claimed to protect its users against cardiovascular disease [16]. The consent agreement [17] prohibits unsubstantiated representations that any such product:
            • Substantially decreases leg pain for people with cardiovascular disease;
            •Reverses damage or disease to the heart caused by high cholesterol, smoking, diabetes, estrogen deficiency, or any other medical condition or health risk;
            •Prevents age-related vascular problems, including “hardening of the arteries” and plaque formation, or reduces the risk of developing cardiovascular disease;
            •Reduces or eliminates the need for surgery, such as a coronary bypass or angioplasty, or for medications, such as nitroglycerin, in patients with cardiovascular disease; or
            •Improves endurance, circulation, and energy for the general population.

            Arginine Research

            As far as I know, Niteworks has never been studied studied in humans to determine whether it can help people with cardiovascular disease. But three studies suggest that one of its key ingredients—arginine—might do more harm than good for people with impaired artery function:
            •One study found that giving 9 grams of arginine per day for 4 days to 28 patients with coronary artery disease did not improve the function of the inner lining (endothelium) of their arteries [18].
            •Another study found that subjects with peripheral artery disease who took arginine supplements for 6 months did worse than that imilar people who received a placebo [19].
            •The third study found that 9 grams of arginine given every day for 6 months did not improve arterial functioning among 153 people who had suffered a heart attack. But during or shortly after the trial, death occurred in six of the arginine-takers but none of the placebo-takers [20].

            The Herbalife Science Web site mentions a clinical trial in which 16 healthy elderly men who exercised regularly were given either Niteworks or a placebo for three weeks. The study was supported by an NIH grant and done at UCLA’s Center for Human Nutrition. The researchers reported that the men who received Niteworks were able to do strenuous exercise a bit longer before they got tired [21]. Whether this finding has any practical significance remains to be seen.

            The Bottom Line

            Niteworks is promoted as a powerful preventive against cardiovascular disease even though, as far as I know, the product has never been studied for this purpose in humans. Nobel Prize winner Louis Ignarro, Ph.D, who has a substantial financial interest in the matter, is using his prestige to facilitate the sales process. Although research into nitric oxide may lead to some practical use of arginine supplementation, it seems unlikely to result in “no more heart disease.” Meanwhile, I believe it is foolish to spend $90 a month for a product that is overpriced, has no proven value, and might even be harmful.

      • Anthony,

        It is you that needs to go back to school and study nutrition. Ask yourself this who or which organization paid for the science that’s applied to Herbalife products? If they’re telling you it’s independent you’re being lied to as much as the people that purchase this deadly stuff.

        Or do you take the info that’s shoved at you by all MLM companies as gospel just because they wheel out an “expert” that says it’s so. When you’re in a room full or people whooping and cheering and you’re being told you’ll be a millionaire inside a year you suddenly become the most knowledgeable person on the subject.

        Finally look at all MLM’s and tell everyone here who the top guys are in each one. Then tell us who the next levels down are! Then tell us the names of all those at the bottom…then look at the shape of each organization and tell us all what that shape looks like. Please come to an argument with some reasoned and sensible debate, then you can sound off in a fit and proper fashion.

        Dani, apologies for hi-jacking your posts and sounding of myself but the MLM Nutrition crowd really get up my nose. Go Paleo!!

    • My research tells me the products are engineered at UCLA by the team of world renowned leading doctors in the field of nutrition science, all MD’s and Ph.D.s. (Google Mark Hughes Cellular & Molecular Nutrition Lab at UCLA). And by the way one of them is a Nobel prize wining medical doctor/researcher at UCLA (Google Louis Ignarro, Ph.D.)

      The Nutrition Advisory board consist of more then 25 world renowned doctors an Ph.Ds from around the world (Google Herbalife Nutrition Advisory Board). So, please share what your medical or Ph.D. is in and what college or university you do research or teach at or do you just have a certificate. The products and business model has already been check out by more then 80 countries, the FTC, and the US Congress (Google it) and has been found to be in a legal business. Oh and by the way you probably have products that are marketed though the same type of business model and don’t know. So, now tell me you have an MBA or what that gives you expertise to call it a scam that these other groups don’t have. What you did is commonly called opinion and really smart people keep opinions not based on facts to themselves so they don’t sound really ignorant.

      Dr. Gregory T. Lawton the founder of the certification program you attended would probably have advised you not to be so ignorant by posting comments like you did online. But then do you even have a college degree or just this certificate.

      • dani stout Reply

        I’m aware of who is on the board of Herbalife: people who want to make money. Not people who care about health.

        Re-evaluate your very first sentense, “…the products are engineered.” Health food is not engineered. It is grown locally, organically and sustainably.

        If you are convinced that Herbalife’s products are good for you, please answer the following questions that NO Herbalife pusher has been able to:

        1. How is Herbalife good for you if it contains GMOs?
        2. How is Herbalife good for you if it contains processed ingredients?
        3. How is Herbalife good for you if it contains trans and hydrogenated fats?
        4. How is Herbalife good for you if it contains artificial sweeteners?
        5. How is Herbalife good for you if it contains toxins like soy, corn and canola products (that are all genetically modified)?

        These are not just my opinions; these are facts. Google the difference and take a look at the ingredients in Herbalife products. You may want to do some actual research before blindly trusting a corporation whose only intent is to make money.

        • I cannot agree with you more Dani. Herbalife is not about making people healthier, it’s feeding off people’s ignorance.
          This is why we have chosen Isagenix.
          It is a natural alternative that doesn’t contain artificial sweeteners, preservatives, GMO ingredients.
          Please look into it as this is obviously something you are very knowledgeable and passionate about

          • dani stout

            Hi Simon,

            I took a quick look at Isagenix. Unfortunately it is not ideal as it is full of processed ingredients, isolated vitamins that are not bioavailable, fructose, etc. I appreciate your comment!

          • these products will always exist. the fact is so many people look for a short cut to health, these companies use people with no nutritional knowledge to sell, they especially target new personal trainers!

            when i first started out as a pt i was contacted by so many of these, specifically herbalife and body by vi
            i ended up saying no and i’m glad i did!

            a lot of trainers get in to it because they have no clue about nutrition and rather than pay out to go on nutrition courses and go to nutrition seminars/workshops they can just simply use these products provide nutrition and earn extra money

        • I love this, “…the products are engineered.” Health food is not engineered. It is grown locally, organically and sustainably.” Anything that is engineered is NOT natural, did not come from the earth. Artificial sweeteners does more harm to the body than people realize, that’s why they experiment on lab rats first before putting it on the market. I am always discouraging people from using artificial sweeteners.

        • herballife is not just about their products they are about promoting a healthy lifestyle through nutrition and excersise, did you know that herballife run free excersise groups all over the world, they dont force you to take their products but they also teach you, if it was not for my herbal life coaches i would be dead but now i am loosing weight and eating properly and no i dont always have their products and as this gentleman said what is your medical backround??? and how could 89 countries get it wrong?????

          • dani stout

            Herbalife and people that sell Herbalife know very little about actual nutrition, they advocate eating soy and low-fat diets which are extremely detrimental to health.

            I clearly state my background on my About page, please read it.

          • Just because a company is “open” in 89 countries does not make it right. Get real. I am thankful to be off the Herbalife train I was stupid enough to hop on for a month a few years ago. My body could not handle it. I am thankful for the healthy LIFESTYLE change I have made and the product line I use now that fills my nutrition gaps that I may have and have dropped 51lbs.

            Thank you, Dani, I work at a call center where there are about 7 very overweight girls [I am still overweight myself] who claim to be nutritionists and dietitians because they have a blender bottle on their desk with “Herbalife” on it and I cannot wait for them to approach me.

        • Joseph Wengel Reply

          Dani Stout – I fully agree with you and your stance on how Herbalife’s ingredients are unhealthy and even damaging to our bodies. I just wanted to comment and tell you that you are an awesome person and that you are right with what you are saying. You have facts, they have opinions. I’ve noticed whenever you ask someone for proof and to answer your small list of questions, you NEVER get a reply. Keep up the fantastic work and I appreciate you!

      • The world has 7 billion people , I can find someone with any degree that will say anything for me if i have money,lets take the fact that Gmos are banned in 40 countries, countries don’t ban things that generate trade lightly.

      • Richard,

        Studies carried out by eminent scientists here in the UK into whether sugar makes you overweight or not established that the majority of the studies concluded that sugar doesn’t make you overweight.

        The fact that seven of those eminent scientists are supported financially by the sugar industry obviously carries no credence whatsoever (please know that this is written with massive amounts of sarcasm).

        If your research tells you who and what the board of Herbalife is then I applaud your research ability. Having a board full of people that do what they do does not a healthy or beneficial product make!!

        Apply that amazing research into the human species and see how we’ve developed over the last 7 million years!!!!! Fortunately up until the last 50-100 years Herbalife products or anything of their ilk, produced by world renowned experts, weren’t consumed by our species.

        I know in which direction I’d look for nutrition advice…my ancestors!! not some “expert” shill on the board of a corporation with nothing more than an interest in financial gain.

        DO YOUR RESEARCH!! There is a vast quantity of it on ancestral/paleolithic/primal eating and lifestyle and the vast majority is also backed up with massive amounts of scientific and archaeological study.

      • That funny, cause I was not only told by my Primary Care MD, but also my OBGYN to discontinue Herbalife only after 1 month of trying it, cause of all my headaches, fatique, etc. They were then ones that had me bring in the bottles from Herbalife so they could show me why. My body was not getting what it needed, cause the ingredients in Herbalife are processed and not natural. Ones body can not process these so called processed ingredients, manufactured fake ingredients. within a week of stopping Herbalife, I felt great again. Oh and by the way, eating healthy and exercising helped me lose my weight, more than all my uneducated family and friends , still taking Herbalife.

    • I’m into my third week and I feel terrible I am so tired I can’t work I just want to sleep. I’m constipated and bloated. I feel awful so does my 21 year old daughter. We were both told its our bodies de-toxing . I can’t concentrate or focus on anything. I have lost 6lbs my daughter lost 4lb the first week and gained 1 lb the next. You are so right I can’t believe the sugar that is in it. Can you recommend an alternative healthy eating diet, herbalife suited me as I don’t eat veg or salads. After reading your blog I truly believe it is a scam

      • dani stout Reply

        Hi there, I’m so sorry you’re feeling awful because of these terrible products. My approach to health is whole, unprocessed foods for optimum weight and health. I offer an eight week program called Ditch The Diet as well as personalized coaching.

        • Ah, your advert just popped up on this page, now I know why you are so vocal in pulling down a competitor.

          • dani stout

            I’m a health coach. It is literally my job to offer my services and educate people on true nutrition.

            Isn’t that obvious?

      • Hi, I have just started looking into Herbalife, as I was considering selling their products. After attending one of their online webinars, I have to say, I think the product really does work and has a unique approach. It looks like the ingredients are not at all ideal for someone who really cares about what they put in their body, but also, to be fair, it sounds to be very effective in losing weight, especially for those who do not have the discipline to stick to other methods. Just because you feel bad, does not suddenly make the whole thing terrible, it makes you want to give up, it actually sounds like its working and if you stuck with it you would probably do quite well in your weightloss. I think if you are giving up now, you will probably give up on any other program, because they all involve discomfort or sacrifice in one way or another.

        Mmm, so will I join Herbalife? Not sure, it seems like there may well be money to be made, and well, the product is good for what it is, after reading this I cant well tell people its good for them, but certainly effective for weight loss.

        • dani stout Reply

          That’s the problem with people who do not understand nutrition, they end up selling these products and convincing others to sell them.

          “Just because you feel bad, does not suddenly make the whole thing terrible, it makes you want to give up, it actually sounds like its working and if you stuck with it you would probably do quite well in your weightloss.”

          NO. Feeling bad is the body’s way of telling you something is not right. It’s not that people need to stick it out, there is a reason Herbalife makes people feel sick, and it’s because people are loading their bodies full of toxins.

        • Yes! Join Herbalife and pay no attention to this money seeking fraud trying to destroy a company that actually know what they’re talking about (unlike her – and she’s not the first to take them on thinking she knows better). You’ll love it and the feeling you’ll get from helping your friends and family with the products is second to none 🙂

          • Go Andy!!

            I have just read through these comment in disbelief at the ignorance and misinformation that is forming this debate. Herbalife soy in Non GMO and has been for over 10 years.

            The highly acclaimed Medical Advisory Board members are already top of their game, at a point where financial gain comes low down on their list of wants, and have selected Herbalife to carry their work further.

            The UCLA have proven the positive benefits of the Herbalife nutrition, along with 34 years experience and over 100 million product users world wide.

            Herbalife distributors are some of the healthiest, most vibrant and caring people you could meet, they have a high integrity and are doing an incredible job in transforming the health of many. Oh and the lady who said she felt ill, Herbalife products are just food, time and again anyone who feels ill when starting Herbalife, the cause is almost always caused by and increase in milk consumption, not drinking enough water or caffeine withdrawal. In my 14 years experience as a user and distributor myself, I have seen hundreds of people’s health dramatically improve and my own health restored after serious illness.

            So, people on here, get your facts right before you try to pull down a company like Herbalife. Put that energy into making a difference where it matters.

          • dani stout

            Right, you’re an Herbalife pusher which is why you support their completely unhealthy products. If you’re going to sell products, you should probably have the faintest grasp of nutrition. So please answer the following:

            How are rancid and hydrogenated oils good for you?
            How is MSG good for you?
            How is gluten good for you?
            How are artificial sweeteners good for you?
            How is denatured protein good for you?
            And lastly, how are GMOs good for you? Because Herbalife DOES contain GMOs.

            So what exactly is the misinformation here? I highlight the fact that Herbalife uses toxic and unhealthy ingredients. It’s not my fault that you push complete garbage.

        • What a can of worms ….I went to a Herbalife meeting last night for the 1st time. Like you, Stephan, I was looking at it from a view of helping people while making some money. I see masses of potential to make money. However, at the end of the day I have to live with myself, my conscience & principles are all I have that mean anything to me. I had a cup of their tea & a protein bar & instantly knew I’d had artificial flavouring & sweetener. All night the taste wouldn’t go from my mouth even after 2 glasses of water. I asked the person who took me along what was in the products & he said he didn’t know but it must be good as it was designed by Drs. He DID NOT KNOW! I’m afraid I don’t like many of the ingredients I’ve found in my research today that they are using & will not go any further with it. The testimonials of the folk who take it was absolutely amazing, but you know what? Not one of them looked HEALTHY! They were trim & looked great in their clothes but heaps of them had really bad skin on their faces, large blemishes or sallow looking skin, dry skin & hair. Give me pure, clean (certified organic) fresh & natural food & exercise every day i.e. walking, bike riding & deep water running/swimming any old day. I’d rather not make money out of products I don’t have any confidence in being good for you long term. They work, but at what cost?

        • your last paragraph is the clincher there Stephan. Not to mention the 4th line down for 3 sentences of the first paragraph.

          You don’t give damn about the fact that this product is rubbish and bordering on dangerous. This is disgraceful, how dare you.

    • Yes it is an MLM, that is NOT a Pyramid scheme. Look at regular job in corporate America. They are Pyramids as the ONLY one who really benefits is the Top guy, in MLM everyone benefits and the bottom people can work real hard and pass the top guy.

    • Just eat the best you can, lots of fruits, vegetables and salads… skip the crap at the food shrines (McDonalds, Burger King, etc). You don’t need spending your money on all that artificial junk… it will in the end… cause you disease.

      Your body is a living breathing machine… give it some good fuel…

    • Pyramid schemes are illegal!!!!!! Can not be listed on NYSE and 91 Countries gov will not allow it, but is it only the HIGHEST trees that catches the wind?

    • I have been taking herbal life for sometime, I see my cholesterol has come down. What’s the ingredient that cause this to happen?

      • dani stout Reply

        This is a very loaded question. Cholesterol isn’t bad.

    • hola , no se porque no senti asombro de lo que se refiere a ese pruoducto , ya que vi que es puro negoio. le pregunto, hasta hace menos de 2 años mi hijo de 18 años ahora ,no tenia ningun problema, comenzo hace menos de un año a rengear, con la pierna izquierda.depues de haber visitado muchos medicos y placas, correspondientes a las cuales me decian que hera una madre exagerada, consulte a un fisiatra. a lo cual consulto a su vez al fisioterapeuta y dijeron que hera probable un tema neurologico, antes de tomar los 3 frascos de el producto que ud. menciona, nunca tuvo problemas , podra incidir eso.? gracias por la repuesta?.

      • dani stout Reply

        Mi español no es muy grande pero estos productos podría haber causado eso, no hay manera definitiva que contar. Hay un montón de ingredientes tóxicos que pueden tener un efecto negativo tanto en el cuerpo y el cerebro.

    • Lisa Farmer Reply

      well well well…….what a load of nonsense…..Richard braverman well done on your fantastic statement about all the doctors involved with the testing on herbalife products….I couldn’t of put it better myself……haters will hate unfortunately, you will always find negativity around herbalife….herbalife is global in 80 different countries millions of people use the products including myself….ive met real people who have lost up to 10 stone using these products and are perfectly fine….ive lost 2 and a half stone in 14 weeks and I don’t feel hungry at all…in fact I feel healthy, energetic, and my fitness levels are through the roof…..so dani stout you have no idea what your talking about and spouting off your rubbish to anyone who will listen….you have your opinion I have mine….you don’t really have the proper facts and clutching at straws with your rubbish

      • dani stout Reply

        Cigarettes are in 80 countries, using your logic, that makes them healthy as well!

        I actually provided facts, not opinion. If you feel so strongly about Herbalife, please answer what no other Herbalife supporter has been able to:

        How is processed soy good for you?
        How is gluten good for you?
        How are synthetic vitamins good for you?
        How are hydrogenated vegetable oils good for you?
        How is MSG good for you?

      • Lisa Farmer or any other herbalife supporter please answer dani`s question. How is processed soy good for you? How is gluten good for you? How are synthetic vitamins good for you? How are hydrogenated vegetable oils good for you? How is MSG good for you? How interesting that not one herbalifa has commented,

    • I don’t know where everyone lives; but if you have ever visited Los Angeles, you will see one of the biggest herd of Herbal Life sheeple ever. One of the corporate offices is in Carson, CA (Los angeles) area. Redondo Beach + South Bay is full of the sheep pushing their products like crack at the weekly “Fitness Group” gatherings right on the beach with all their green shirts everywhere. (although they offer free fitness on the beach, its where they will up sell products and recruit) Every time I see them, I just snicker; knowing they are recruiting their next sucker.

      Keep up the great work- have you blogged about Advocare crap products? Please do!

    • Johnny Aloha Reply

      I also don’t like HerbalLife for other reasons but mostly because they lie but I also have a very hard time when someone says they are ‘unbiased’ or ‘fair and balanced’ when they state ‘I hate soy’, sorry, that is not unbiased. The Japanese, with the third longest longevity on the planet, eat soy as a staple!! soy beans, edamame, tofu, they eat it with EVERY meal!
      Sorry, when you write something really unbiased, maybe I will give it some credence.

      • dani Reply

        Actually they don’t. The Japanese traditionally ate soy as a condiment, soy sauce, natto, etc. Now like everywhere, soy is very popular. But it wasn’t always.

  1. Thanks for the great article! It was about time someone took the time to expose all the unhealthy stuff they put into their “healthy products”. I will share this with everyone I know. People need to read labels and learn how to prepare their own food again. Shakes can’t replace whole nutritious meals.

    • “People need to read labels and learn how to prepare their own food again. Shakes can’t replace whole nutritious meals.” EXACTLY. Thank you for sharing!

      • Do you still live in DC? We live in Silver Spring, MD and have been looking for a local place where we can buy meat from. So far we have been getting from Whole Foods, but I think there’s gotta be an even better option.
        Thanks!

      • Hi,
        Great blog, I have enjoyed reading it. When you say

        “Shakes can’t replace whole nutritious meals”

        are you just talking about these herbalife shakes and things like slimfast? what about the shakes I sometimes make for my dinner, or as a “snack” eg Banana, Mango, natural yoghurt & honey? Is it a bad thing to have this for lunch instead of a meal? I’m usually in a rush so I prepare something like this in advance.

        Looking forward to reading more of your blog. 🙂

        • dani stout Reply

          I’m also not a fan of fruit smoothies, they contain A LOT of sugar and are generally low in protein and healthy fat. For the shakes I make my fiancé after he gets back from the gym I use raw or coconut milk, 2-3 egg yolks, 1 tsp of fermented cod liver oil, 2 tbsp of gelatin, and then maybe add a small amount of fruit, spinach, cacao, etc. This is much more like a meal.

    • Tell that to the 60 million obese Americans out there. Just because you have it all figured out, doesn’t mean they have any idea how to lose weight without a little help. I lost 40 lb using herbalife shakes and I have never EVER felt better. I may have used some shake to lose weight and get healthy, I guess you consider that lazy, but in my opinion (and since I’m the one walking around in this body, it is a hell of a lot more valuable than yours) herbalife saved my life!

      • Shashi Kant Garg Reply

        Gr8….Danielle…..herbalife also saved my life ,thanx to this wonderful nutrition n thanx to mr.mark for creating a mind bogling compensation plan ….

      • You seem angry. It’s a picture of h.l. ingredients. All these h.l. people seem really angry. Why? Maybe it’s the effect of corn syrup solids whatever that means and hydrogenated oils. Of course you will lose weight on a liquid diet w. exercise it is a numbers game,increase metabolism create a caloric deficit of 3500 calories to lose one pound of fat. These people sound like they are in a cult.

        • A 3500 calorie deficit will make you fat. Not getting nutrients will make you fat. I don’t care what you think it’s in the products because it doesn’t matter when you clean it off immediately with our tea and aloe. People lose weight while gaining muscle with our products, try doing that with water. good luck.

          • dani stout

            You don’t care what I think is in the products?

            It’s not what I THINK is in the products. It’s what IS in the products. The ingredients were pulled directly from the Herbalife website. Did you misunderstand that?

            “it doesn’t matter when you clean it off immediately with our tea and aloe.” What does this even mean? That you think eating the toxic, processed, cancerous Herbalife products is somehow mitigated by then consuming tea and aloe? You very clearly do not understand nutrition or how the body works.

            “People lose weight while gaining muscle with our products, try doing that with water.” So the only options people have are Herbalife or water? Who in the world would try to gain weight by drinking water? This entire comment is nonsensical.

      • @Dani Stout – she / he makes a good point.

        I get that you are passionate about food and natural ingredients, so am I, however, I think that there is a place for this product.

        It may have carcenoginic ingredients (not meaning that you WILL get cancer from having the products, maybe that you will be at increased risk if you consume a lot over a long period), but all the same, if it is helping people to EASILY lose wieght, who may otherwise not have the discipline or inclination to do so, then it has a role.

        I am suprised to hear myself saying this, as I have always tended to have a somewhat ‘puritan’ approach to food and health, but a lot of people have a lot of trouble losing weight, and many more just do not have the focus and discipline to lose weight, monitor their diet and exercise. I say, if for these people it is allowing them to easily lose weight, and enjoy a better quality of life then why not? If they do get cancer, well obviously that is not a good thing, but then again, if they would have already died long ago, or ended up with Diabetes, then it is much of a muchness.

        In the case where people are not prepared to fully take responsibility for their own eating habits, I suggest that this product actually seems quite good.

        And furthermore, from what I heard on their webinar, the product supposedly cleaneses the small intestine cells to absorb nutrition, that are otherwise blocked and not functioning correctly. That sounds like a healthful and effective thing, shame you have to use chemicals to do that, but I dont know of any natural products that do this??

        • dani stout Reply

          “I get that you are passionate about food and natural ingredients, so am I, however, I think that there is a place for this product.”

          That’s contradictory, Stephan. It’s like saying, “I don’t approve of my child smoking meth, but meth has its place in my child’s life.”

          Your logic is that it must be okay since it helps people lose weight. So does anorexia. So does only eating cabbage. Do you adovate this as well?

          “And furthermore, from what I heard on their webinar, the product supposedly cleaneses the small intestine cells to absorb nutrition, that are otherwise blocked and not functioning correctly. That sounds like a healthful and effective thing, shame you have to use chemicals to do that, but I dont know of any natural products that do this??”

          That is the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard. The only way to increase nutrient absorption is to make sure the gut is function properly in the first place (not backed up or damaged), strong and sealed, as well as full of beneficial gut bacteria. Herbalife products do the OPPOSITE of this. Furthermore, they use syntehtic vitamins that are NOT bioavailable.

          After reading this post I sincerely hope you decide not to sell Herbalife. People that buy it are often lacking in any nutritional knowledge and are unsuspecting victims. It would be wrong to sell it to people who don’t know any better.

          • Roy Mysterio

            Dani,these people dont realise u are just trying to help them…they live in their own pathetic fantasy…

          • dani stout

            I am just trying to help! Thanks Roy.

          • Dani, to be fair, Stephan has a point. While you are thinking of health in terms of black and white, Stephan is saying that health can also have shades of grey (which it looks like you missed, due to your metaphor of meth for a child, as this metaphor clearly only works in black and white situations). And to be honest with you, it does have shades of grey, because no one can have a perfect diet (although we can come close!). So, in the perspective of health in only black and white, there is no pure white. This is because there are two dimensions of health: 1) quality 2) quantity. It is possible, however, to have supplements that are wholesome (as you attached your link above for organic whey–thank you for that recommendation! just wish it came in a bigger package), but some people consider ANYTHING that is processed (which would include your whey) to not be healthy. They think you can only get 100% healthy diet from whole foods. Well, that is partially true! If one has a diet consisting of only whole foods, they will NOT be getting the QUANTITY of nutrients that their bodies need, although they will certainly be meeting the QUALITY of nutrients that their bodies need. I think where some of the non-anti-herbalife people are coming from (I did not call them pro-herbalife because some of them aren’t–some of them just don’t think HL is from the devil) is that, although they see that it does not have the QUALITY of nutrients that our bodies need, it focused on providing the QUANTITY that our bodies need. For example before HL someone had 5 servings of processed carbs, 1 protein, maybe 0 phytonutrients (as a basic example). With the shakes, there is significantly more protein offered to them in their diet, as well as carbs and phytonutrients (depending on the shake). [Now I am not going to comment on soy here because growing up I drank it all my life because my brother was allergic to milk, and I never experienced all of your horrible side effects, so I am pretty indifferent to soy really. I have heard both sides of the debate and would like as much as anyone else for the debate to come to a conclusion. But I am sure there are phytonutrient properties to soy].

            So, I hope this makes sense. They are just saying, HL provided the opportunity for these people to go from diets with bad quantity and bad quality, to good quantity and bad quality. There is a “win” there.

            Personally, I can understand this only because I started out with poor quality and poor quantity. I would eat maybe twice a day and, although not snack-like junk food, it was certainly processed and certainly not getting all of my vital nutrients. Then I became aware of the importance of healthy fats and proteins and have been eating my veggies minimally and using other gym brands to increase my protein intake with fish/chicken/beef. I am gradually improving my diet and recently understood the value (yet difficulty) of a well-balanced diet. Now that I am ready to improve to the next level, I recognize that there is no way that I can get EVERYTHING into my diet through whole foods, and so I will need to supplement if I want to meet the quantity of nutrients that my body needs. So, I am on the quest for some supplements that incorporate everything. HL has claimed to provide that quantity, and I was interested in it, until tonight when I decided I would take a look at its quality… and found your blog 🙂 See, HL is quite possibly the next best thing for a diet that is currently like mine as it is only improving by allowing me to meet my quantity needs, but it is certainly not the best for my diet as I will need quality. See, I am moving up gradually in shades of grey. This is why the word “healthier” and “healthiest” exist, because there are varying degrees of health. But, considering that the rest of my whole foods are almost all completely organic (I did this gradually, as well– I call it my gradual conversion!), and HL is not an inexpensive product, I might as well shoot all the way for organic supplements that provide the quantity and quality I am looking for. I am just having a hard time finding for what I am looking.

            Sorry, I agree with you, but I think you failed to see exactly WHAT this non-emotional poster was saying (as well as a few others who said something along these lines). They actually had a decent point. Although HL is not providing the best diet, it is offering a BETTER diet (from what most people eat).

            I hope this makes sense.

            In conclusion, I know you know your stuff when it comes to quality, for sure. The ingredients on the list for these supplements are organic, but the certified organic stamp is not there 🙁 http://www.healthyfutures.net/ADD-Plus/products/products/freggies.php?PHPSESSID=855afc86fdb05cfb397ba3a828f823fc and this one http://www.rejuvenan.net/sprouts.html What is your opinion for something like this, then? Have you any recommendations of something with great quality that parallels the purpose for which this capsule was made? And, to go along with your recommendation for an organic whey protein supplement, what is your opinion of this also? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009XXSHDM/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B009XXSHDM&linkCode=as2&tag=foobab-20 . I was thinking about alternating that protein source with this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031JK96C/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0031JK96C&linkCode=as2&tag=foobab-20 for a great variety of protein sources. Of course I will be eating at least 4 meals a day as usual, each of which will have protein in the form of bean, dairy, or meat, along with these shakes and phytonutrient capsules! I feel like I am leaving something out, though. PLease tell me if I am. I am still learning all of which I will exactly need for maintaining a balanced diet.
            Your feedback is very much appreciated 🙂

          • dani stout

            Hey Tina,

            The capsules are okay, no terrible ingredients or anything. But to be honest, you can’t supplement your way to health. If you were eating a healthy diet, you really wouldn’t even need to buy them. Of course, there are supplements I recommend people take and I take personally, but if you aren’t going to change your diet, buying supplements do very little. Both of those protein powders are fine though. Let me know if you have any other Q’s. Take care!

        • Doc Bunkum Reply

          I noticed, Stephan, that you talk about “losing weight” at least six times in your two posts. Just to be clear, and in case anyone else missed the point, no one needs to “lose weight”. What you should be concerned with is losing body fat. Big difference.

          It’s rather pointless to lose scale weight if you don’t know where that weight came from. Are you losing body fat? Muscle? Water? Do you know or even have a clue? It’s muscle that burns fat – the stuff you want to lose. It’s muscle you have to preserve and you sure don’t do that by guzzling sugar laden Formula 1 diet shakes. If you just “lose weight” just for the sake of being lighter on the scale, all you end up doing is becoming a smaller version of your former fat self. Think “body recomposition”. That should be your goal.

    • I guess you’ve never made a shake in a blender of whole foods. That was a really stupid, generalized comment you just made. In fact, a lot of people are making comments like that on this thread and Aaron is just responding “exactly!” or “couldn’t agree more.” Listen, Aaron, the point of this thread is good. But just because someone is agreeing with you doesn’t mean that what they are writing is not erroneous. Please take a moment to straighten people out completely. You know that a shake can very well be very healthy! I understand you get excited when a person agrees with you, but seeing someone as intelligent as yourself agreeing with numb-chucks like this is irritating.

  2. Thanks for confirming! I have been dealing with leaky gut and parasites for a while. A friend of mine (a distributor) suggested I try Herbalife and it was awful! I was exhausted all the time — so much so that I wanted to lay down in the middle of the sidewalk and go to sleep. And in the San Francisco Tenderloin too! I was literally in tears by the thought of my usual 1.5 mile walk home. She said it was detoxing, but I had done an elimination diet before and this was wildly different.

    Fortunately I started focusing on eating real whole foods (with paleo-leaning tendencies) and have been feeling so much better. Still not 100%, but I’m voluntarily taking the stairs again 🙂

    Great post.

    • Yikes! Sounds like your friend is grossly misinformed. Is she still selling this stuff? Herbalife cannot cause a detox effect because it is full of toxins – that must have been frustrating. That’s great that you’re feeling better though! Have you looked into GAPS at all for healing leaky gut? It may help.

      • You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If their products contains all of this so called “junk” why did my father and many other people I know who used it lose over 50 lbs?? Also, it isn’t just about losing weight, it is about living a healthier life. Their 24 line helps athletes build muscle mass and have more energy. They have amazing doctors working on these products, including one who has won a Nobel prize. Before you trash a company or a product, get your facts straight.

        • Brady. Did you bother to read this post at all? I didn’t say it was an ineffective weight loss tool. I said it’s an unhealthy weight loss tool. Just because your dad and people you know lost weight using it, does not make it healthy. Using that logic, anorexia is healthy, or the cabbage soup diet, or any of the other ridiculous diets out there. What say you to the genetically modified soy in Herbalife? Or the sucralose? Or the chemicals? Or the fact that there is not a single real-food, unprocessed ingredient in Herbalife products? Before you comment on my blog, get your facts straight.

          • exactly, you can lose weight by eating a few almonds a day and does it mean its healthy? um no.. and yes. I agree with Dani & do an extensive research on Genetically modified food like corn and soy and see what the side effects can cause on the human body in the long run. Its like taking an aspirin, you may feel great at the moment but if you keep taking them everyday you will eventually damage your body.

          • Felicity Dreyer

            I can’t believe their chicken soup doesn’t contain ANY chicken! Just chicken flavouring – wow! How much better to eat a piece of chicken instead and reap all the benefits of eating real food instead of food substitutes. Just because we CAN make these things doesn’t mean we should – and it certainly doesn’t mean we should eat these products!

          • No, she said it is “Undoubtedly” Which means she didn’t actually research the Soy source that Herbalife uses. They remove the phytoestrogens, it’s a Soy Isolate. Herbalife also grows their own. The company is completely translucent. You can find the exact location where all of the products are made from the seed to the store. So, do a little research on that and then come back and make comments. Herbalife has a board of over 30 doctors, one of them voted the best doctor in the US for the last 6 out of 10 years, another who has won a Nobel Prize for his research in Nitric Oxide, and the CEO represents the company to the T by living a Healthy Active Lifestyle, he just competed in a race yesterday! The products may contain things like sucralose, but the 24 line is completely pure, (this is the line I use). To the person who commented and said the Shakes make them tired, but now that they are clean eating they feel good… more than likely you are completely intolerant to soy, as am I. Herbalife is great for people who are overweight, obese, and very unhealthy. Herbalife will provide them with all of the vitamins that they need, and they can easily adjust to the products after living so unhealthy. The multivitamin is the best on the market, the Cell Activator is an amazing product that promotes maximum absorption, along with many other products such as our heart health and digestive health line. Just because Herbalife has a few products that contain some “unhealthy” ingredients, that doesn’t mean the whole company is completely trash. Herbalife is revamping every day to product the best products in the market. Soon, I’m sure, they will be completely clean. They have been around for 33 years now, and have evolved SO much.

          • dani stout

            Herbalife absolutely uses GM soy. NOWHERE does Herbalife state that they use organically grown soy. If soy is not specifically organic, and often when it is, it can still contain GMOs, because the genetic modification is so prevalent (close to 100%) that it’s next to impossible to separate the two. Soy isolate does not mean phytoestrogens are removed, that is completely false. The only way phytoestrogens can be completely removed is via alcohol extraction. Where exactly can you find the “exact locations location where all the products are made from the seed to the store?” Please provide a link. Because Herbalife also uses GM corn and canola.

            The only thing Herbalife is actually good for is causing degenerative diseases and helping people lose weight by starving them of nutrients. The bioavailability of the “vitamins” in Herbalife products in non-existant.

            The 24 lines is also complete trash. The ingredients in Formula 1 Sport include milk protein concetrate (overly processed milk substitute that most likely came from GM dairy), fructose (which is HIGHLY toxic and causes fatty liver disease), maltodextric (a derivative of corn that is also genetically modified) and a ton of other highly processed and toxic ingredients.

        • Shashi Kant Garg Reply

          Gr8…brady…..herbalife also saved my life ,thanx to this wonderful nutrition n thanx to mr.mark hughes for creating a mind bogling compensation plan ….keep it up…herbalife is based only on fact since 1980. jan 2013 to march 2013….increased quaterly sales by 13%…..gr8 co. gr8 leadership,Best NAB & MAB as you told. Even best national international brand ambassadors…really they r not in search of money like david becham to mispresent any brand.

          • I can’t take your comments seriously, they are incoherent. I’m not sure if you’re joking, though either way I appreciate the use of “gr8.”

            Thought if you go back and actually read my article, Herbalife isn’t saving anyone’s life. It’s slow poision that tricks people into thinking it’s healthy because it assists weight loss.

          • Herbalife founder Mark Hughes died of a drug and alcohol overdose. And the Belgian courts found that Herbalife is indeed a pyramid scheme and it is now forbidden to be sold there.

            Now distributors of this non-food are targeting children as their latest attempt to foist this deadly crap off onto unsuspecting parents. I hope the FDA soon follows the Belgian example and removes this toxic product from American diets.

        • Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize, we won’t be seeing peace for a long time will we now…it is fundamental that artificial ingredients, especially artificial sugars, cause cancer. People lose over 50lbs because the ingredients in herbalife prevent your body absorbing any nutrients, so you shit all the fat out over time, as long as your stomach is full, you’re not going to feel hungry, you could eat potatos forever and not go hungry, but you’ll soon die all the same as an example. You’re literally starving your body to death of REAL essential nutrients and replacing it with carcinogenic materials. I suppose this Nobel winning doctor is extremely rich too due to his positive statements about the company and has alot to say as long as he’s a board member and raking in at least quarter of the profits much to people’s expense when they head for an early grave.

        • Some folks are just made to be fooled. They are born with what almost seems like a gene for stupidity. They are why corporations spend millions of dollars on false claims, then they pay a few doctors to say “yeah, it is absolutely the best healthiest product on the market”.The top argument herbalames ever make is that a Nobel prize winner is onboard … So what ? That somehowmakes them trust worthy and ethical individuals? The funny thing is half of these morons don’t even Really know what a Nobel prize even is, they know it’s a big deal and they fail to see how all these medical experts are paid by herbalife to endorse their garbage. Most herbalife pushers that I encountered have no prior understanding of health before the herbalife seminar, then they belive themselves the authority on health. You want to really show how intelligentyou are? Google the ingredients in that herbalife soup you feed your friends and family and see for yourselves what the science community as a whole has to say about these substances. These are not opinions , these are facts known by scientists on every continent on this planet . Soy, sucraloseetc are al garbage , period. Thats like saying drinking motor oil is healthy,nomatter what anyone says ,it is not. Anyone that truly knows health will tell you that medical doctors are nowhere near qualified to instruct people on nutrition . They study medicine , and even hospital nutritionists are misinformed on real nutrition. Remember disease and medical doctors fuel the pharmaceutical industriesin this world.

        • OMG really. She is awesome, knows her stuff and that company has you fooled.

          People lose weight on these trash products because they go from eating crap all day a few meals a day and now they are drinking a shake. One of the shake makers has people drink two shakes a day and little to know food the rest of the day. Of course they lose weight.

          Keep up the great work Dani. I get grief ALL the time when I tell people the truth, about the CRAP they are eating. Like when they share a photo of all the CRAP food they got for little to nothing with coupons. I am the one that says that is great but look at all the crap and unhealthy food.

        • How you people can be so so STUPID, did not you realize that this products sucks, if you want to lose weight there are a lot of other ways, only if you eat healthy food you will lose weight. If you exercise regularly you will lose weight etc. etc.

      • Jefferson Francis Reply

        Dani,

        Have you looked at Isagenix? I would be curious to see what you think about their nutritional products. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

        • I took a quick look, I would not suggest Isagenix. I looked at the ingredients in one of their shakes and it had a ton of ingredients and no real foods. No shake or supplement is ever an acceptable replacement for real, unprocessed foods. If you’re looking for a good shake, I suggest the one I linked to in the post.

    • Dennis Pick, D.C. Reply

      Why is everyone arguing about two toxic companies? The only company on the market that is based on whole organic foods is Standard Process. Just stop the stupidity. You are all wrong.
      Dennis Pick, D.C.

  3. Too hung up on calories to mind that they’re not consuming food.
    You should look at Body By Vi too. I see so many people getting sucked into that. Lots of weight loss success stories and incentives for sellers. If I bring up concerns, they’re always countered that it’s just an aid to that ultimate goal (weight loss) or how many fruit and veg it would take to get the level of vitamins/minerals their product provides, or “It’s NOT a pyramid scheme, it’s an MLM.” or the weight loss success and getting people off meds and giving them great income or that their soy has the bad stuff taken out and artificial sweeteners are totes safe. These companies that give people the opportunity to sell always give the info on why their products are better than their competitors. It give them this attachment and crazy loyalty to that brand that I don’t think commercials and regular marketing can do. I’ve heard and seen people get so worked up when their brand is being questioned or a competitor is being used or preferred – from scrapbook supplies to essential oils.

    • I mean, it’s just so ridiculous. You’re totally right about them having this strange attachment to the brand. I think people get so defensive about this (whether it’s Herbalife, Body by Vi, vegan, etc) is that deep down they know it’s unhealthy and are insecure about it, you know? And people DO get too hung up on calories and try to eat as little as possible and they end up eating no nutrients.

      • They aren’t insecure, they just want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. Most of them really do want to make a change or a difference in themselves, the people they love and society, it’s just there is a lack of REAL facts, real hard cut evidence in the world. The media is so manipulated by politics and personal greed! It’s sad, but I am thankful for people like you who stand up and use your voice to educate the masses. You may be one person, but even one rock can have a ripple effect on a gigantic lake so keep doing what you are doing. I am a member of HL, soon to no longer be, and from the beginning I have had my doubts. The first thing I mentioned to my sponsor before I signed up was all the non-organic, synthetic ingredients in the products. It never made any sense to me, but I believed everything that my sponsor was telling me, our board of doctors, our CEO, our products, the Cell Activator, etc. because I had no clue! I truly trusted him that he is a professional health coach. It was my fault to not listen to my initial gut instinct as well as not doing my own research until now. For those of you reading this who are HL members or are looking to be one, do your research! What Dani says IS ACCURATE! If something doesn’t feel right it normally isn’t. I have now been doing my research because it has been weeks of unwavering doubt and the more I research and listen to my gut, the more the truth is revealed to me. Like you said, if the body is telling you something is wrong, it usually is. The body is programmed to know it’s state of wholeness, trust it! The food that G-d and Mother Earth made for us to eat is the ONLY Real Natural Organic food that and is the RIGHT way, the TRUTH! I just want to say though that most of the people I know in HL do have good intentions, not all of them are money hungry, they are just misinformed like I was. We all want to believe and be a part of something that is greater than ourselves, something that would change the world for the better and make a positive impact on our lives, something that heals us and other people, something that helps us grow to be our greatest potential, something that we love to do and supports us for a living. With that said, I do respect everyone I have met in the company, they all have great things to offer, but I am not going to continue being in and promoting a business whose products are harming myself as well as the lives of those I love and help. I respect you all as well as your thoughts and opinions. You may agree with me or you may not, but it does not matter, for I have spoken my truth. Everyone’s existence is essential to the Greater Good of this Earth. Shine your light and see the love in everyone and every situation. We are all meant to learn and grow from one another. Blessings.

        • applause! this is why I considered, until I really looked closer at the ingredients. Now I wish I could find something parallel but only with quality!!!

  4. George Marks Reply

    I remember hearing of Herbalife years ago, but to be honest, wasn’t even aware they were still around.

    You’re right — holy cow! Those ingredient lists read like a real who’s who of Toxic Things You Should Be Avoiding, not stuff you should be eating. Yikes.

  5. Great article, I live in West Australia, and I will be posting this on my social media sites as I feel so many people are bieng sucked into this, In the area where I live I always see advertising for people to come on board with “Herballife” Thanks Very Much, Health & Happiness Anna XX

  6. Concerned MD Reply

    “That’s right, it’s chlorinated. Chlorine destroys beneficial gut flora, thus impairing immune function.”

    What are your sources? A quick google search reveals this study: http://www.fcf.usp.br/Ensino/…/Inserir/…/grupo%2017%20artigo%20c.pdf

    This study shows over 90% of sucralose is excreted in the stool and urine. It is either unchanged sucralose or sucralose that has had something attached to it in the liver. That means none of that chlorine came off to react with anything else. Besides, chlorine is a necessary atom in the body. It’s in table salt or sea salt if you prefer.

    If you don’t like sucralose because it is a man made chemical, that is fine, but no need to spread false information about how it decreases the immune system. Or, if you really think it does, I’d love to see some studies that demonstrate it.

  7. Concerned MD Reply

    Your common sense is right, you shouldn’t drink chlorine. Chlorine and chloride, although they sound the same are two very different things though. One is a poisonous gas and the other is a harmless ion necessary in every cell of our body which we would die without. Chloride is in sea salt, tomatoes, even grass fed beef.

    To chlorinate water you have to add chlorine which reacts with water to make hypochlorite, an oxidizing agent that kills bacteria. Chloride cannot do this.

    Sucrolose has chloride attached to the sugar, not chlorine. It has no way of making these oxidizing agents and is simply an ion. Here is the link again that should work. It shows over 90% of sucralose being excreted by the body unchanged. That means the chloride atom didn’t do anything, it’s still attached to the sugar. The left over sucralose got attached to a binding molecule (glucoronic acid) in the liver for excretion in a normal process.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CF4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fcf.usp.br%2FEnsino%2FGraduacao%2FDisciplinas%2FExclusivo%2FInserir%2FAnexos%2FLinkAnexos%2Fgrupo%252017%2520artigo%2520c.pdf&ei=0nc5UZX0C4WCyQGQioEY&usg=AFQjCNFkyn4RfSPSaux84SzHJH0gxUjL4g&bvm=bv.43287494,d.aWc

    I did find an article that shows metabolites of sucrolose may cause changes to the microflora in the gut. I also found studies that don’t agree with that claim and lots of studies demonstrating it’s safety. If anything it’s controversial. It is certainly not killing off significant enough quantities of gut flora to cause serious intestinal problems like infectious diarrhea. It’s important to note these rats were fed very high doses of sucralose, as much as replacing 35% of their diet. Half a teaspoon in your coffee is going to be ok.

    Your first link is to a site called global healing center, natural health and organic living that sells health and cleansing kits. I’m already suspicious of a conflict of interest. There are no sources cited for any of the information on the page.

    They do reference a book by Joseph Price written in the 60’s claiming chlorine causes atherosclerosis and heart disease.

    Here’s a study done in the 90’s which succinctly combed the research and found only 2 studies claiming a relationship between chlorinated water and heart disease. It soundly shows those claims to be false.

    Ingestion of chlorinated water has no effect upon indicators of cardiovascular disease in pigeons

    Institute of Environmental Medicine, New York University Medical Center, New York 10016.
    Penn A, Lu MX, Parkes JL
    Toxicology. 1990 Sep;63(3):301-13.

    I put the abstract at the bottom if you want to read it.

    The second website is about how dangerous chlorine is. I agree 100%, it is dangerous. Do not drink chlorine. There is a paragraph about chlorinated water which says there are serious side effects but not sources. I found some articles investigating long term changes in cell lines caused by some chlorination by-products created when bacteria are killed. I find nothing about destroying gut flora.

    There is also a small blurb at the bottom which says sucralose has chlorine in it and since chlorine is bad so is sucralose. Again, no sources. By demonstrating how dangerous chlorine is and then saying there is chloride in sucralose is a very effective method of determent, but isn’t scientific. I touched on that above.

    I think the take home message is not to believe everything you read. If you are looking for scientific facts, look in peer reviewed scientific journals dedicated to the topic OR make sure what you’re reading has cited some real science. Don’t just trust what a webpage has to say. Look into it. Especially if they are trying to sell something.

    That last link is the most dangerous and I actually didn’t notice it before. I read all those studies it mentions, but it doesn’t list all the other studies that disagree. For example, they mention that sucralose was found to cause changes in liver and kidney cells. They didn’t cite the study that showed these changes to be non-cancerous. That is not science, that’s just looking for evidence that supports your hypothesis and ignoring the rest.

    You’re right, there aren’t any long term studies on sucralose because it is new. Time will tell if it will be pulled off the market or not. In the meantime make an informed choice by reading both sides of the argument. If you don’t feel like looking into it, by all means avoid it.

    Keep in mind that there is really nothing common sense about this science. That’s why we leave it up to highly trained professionals. You need a pretty solid foundation in general, organic, and biochemistry. You need biology, immunology, microbiology, and a sound understanding of how to critically analyze scientific papers. Otherwise we make mistakes like confusing chlorine for chloride and scaring ourselves.

    I won’t even touch on your comment at the end which clearly shows you have a mistrust for medicine and medical research. I will tell you that accutane sure got rid of my acne and morphine really makes a broken bone feel better.

    Abstract: Cardiovascular disease (CVD) accounts for nearly half the deaths, yearly, in the United States. The arterio(athero)sclerotic plaque is the principal lesion of CVD. The White Carneau (WC) pigeon is an animal model that has been employed extensively for studying CVD. Cholesterol (CHOL) feeding aggravates atherosclerosis in WC pigeons greater than 2 years old. In 1986, two reports appeared from a single laboratory claiming a direct effect of drinking chlorinated (Cl) water upon lipid levels and plaque development in young (less than 1 year) WC pigeons. These are the only reports of such direct effects, to date. Three months’ exposure to 2 ppm or 15 ppm Cl in the drinking water, resulted in increased circulating CHOL levels in young male WC pigeons fed a normocholesterolemic (NC) diet in which Ca2+ levels were reduced. In addition, at both Cl concentrations there was a significant increase in plaque size, compared to controls. Pigeons in the 2 ppm group also exhibited elevated low density lipoprotein (LDL) levels after 3 months on the NC diet. These findings, if extrapolated to man, could have considerable public health consequences, since nearly 200 million people in the United States drink Cl water. We have carried out a similar set of studies but with strikingly different results. We used the same suppliers of pigeons and feed as did the authors of the 1986 reports and followed their approach where possible. Six month-old male WC pigeons drank water with 2 ppm or 15 ppm Cl (pH 8.5) and ate a NC diet with Ca2+ reduced to 80% of normal. At both 1 and 3 months, body weight, CHOL, triglyceride and LDL levels were unaffected by drinking Cl water. There was also no effect of Cl water on plaque size after 3 months. Thus, we found no evidence that drinking chlorinated water has any effect upon circulating lipid levels or upon the development of arteriosclerotic plaques, in this animal model

    • I disagree, you do not need a strong knowledge of biochemistry, immunology, microbiology, etc to know that processed foods created in a lab are not good for you. I strongly disagree that we need to “leave it up to highly trained professionals.” At some point, we need to think for ourselves and make our own decisions. Please keep in mind you are commenting on a blog named Ancestral Nutrition, I don’t advocate eating any foods our grandmothers or great-grandmothers did not have reasonable access to.

      Sucralose contains, chlorine, NOT chloride. This is a common misconception.

      “The non-calorie sweetener sucralose – sucrose containing three chlorine atoms – is intensively sweet and has become a popular substitute for sugar.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21955350

      I completely understand that there are studies that say sucralose is safe to consume. Like you said,

      “I think the take home message is not to believe everything you read. If you are looking for scientific facts, look in peer reviewed scientific journals dedicated to the topic OR make sure what you’re reading has cited some real science. Don’t just trust what a webpage has to say. Look into it. Especially if they are trying to sell something.”

      That is exactly what I’m doing. I do not care that there are studies that say sucralose is safe, I do not consider it safe. It is chlorinated, chlorine is unsafe to consume. I don’t need peer reviewed scientific journals to make my decisions for me, I often disagree with peer reviewed scientific journals. The point of this blog is to encourage people to eat unrefined, nutrient dense food.

      Thank you for commenting, I really appreciate the discussion.

      PS- I also took Accutane as a teen, it didn’t work but it did make my lips bleed. Accutane is an awful drug and shouldn’t even be on the market. It’s horrible. You most likely could have safely cleared your acne by switching to an anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense diet with targeted supplements (I did).

      • Concerned MD Reply

        Ok so the chlorine atom on sucralose is bound by a hydrogen bond, not an ionic bond so it is “chlorine”. It is still Cl though, not Cl2 which means it is not the same thing you put in a pool. It still can’t make those oxidizing agents.

        I won’t beat a dead horse though because you put it so well by saying:

        “I do not care that there are studies that say sucralose is safe, I do not consider it safe”

        That’s the real side to this argument. You don’t believe the science that says sucralose is safe. You have a hypothesis: I don’t think x is safe because my common sense tells me it’s not. You are willing to reference websites and other sources of information that support that hypothesis, but you do not care about the other studies.

        That’s OK. When science fits with your worldview it is good science – ie. science shows washing your hands prevents the spread of disease, so we wash our hands. But when it doesn’t fit, well then science is not to be trusted.

        • You’re missing my point entirely. Science has told us that a lot of things are safe, and they end up not being safe at all; particularly in the realm of food and drug regulation. Science said aspartame was safe, it isn’t. Science said Vioxx was safe, it isn’t. Science said Oxycontin is safe, it isn’t. Science said olestra was safe, it isn’t. Just because science says things are safe, doesn’t automatically make them safe. And this is what I’m talking about when I say we need to use our common sense. Eat real, unrefined food. Don’t take prescription drugs unless absolutely necessary. Don’t use toxic products.

          • Concerned MD

            The issue is that you believe we should eat real food because we know what’s in it and know that it is safe. Since sucralose is man-made, we should avoid it.

            That is a sound argument and very legitimate. I even personally agree.

            But when you try to bring in science to prove your point you simply don’t have the evidence. At best you have some evidence that it causes side effects and some evidence that says it doesn’t. You certainly don’t understand that chlorinating water to kill bacteria is not the same thing as chlorinating a molecule. Honestly, how could you? This isn’t a priori knowledge, it is chemistry. That’s ok, I had to look it up myself.

            You then contradict yourself by painting a picture of mistrust of the scientific community when just before you had used science to back up your argument.

            You say sucralose disrupts gut flora (that’s a scientific paper, I read it), you say sucralose has chlorine on it, that came from analytical and synthetic chemistry. If you can’t trust the studies that say its safe how can you trust the ones that say it isn’t? How can you even trust the science that says sucralose has chlorine atoms on it?

            You can’t use science to back up your side and then say the other side is wrong because science has failed us in the past.

            My point is that you don’t need to bring science into this. Even if science were on your side, your real food argument was strong enough on its own. So let’s not pretend that you’ve poured through the research and critically evaluated the studies. If you did, you could probably publish a paper on it.

          • You are very clearly not understanding me, you’re assuming that I am taking stances that I’m not. If you would acknowledge what I do say without insinuating I’m a science hater, this conversation wouldn’t be so redundant. I’m not using science to back up MY point and then saying the science I disagree with is wrong. I greatly appreciate science, but not all science is created equal. It’s a scientific fact that sucralose contains three chlorine atoms. And yes, scientists have performed studies ensuring the safety of sucralose. But those are two very different processes. There is an agenda behind proving the safety of sucralose, which does make me suspicious. I’m not skeptical of science as a whole, I am skeptical of scientists and scientific studies when there is a profit to be made (you should be too!).

            It doesn’t take a chemist to recognize that adding chlorine to water is not the same as chlorinating a molecule. I knew this already without having to look it up and I’m surprised that you did. Chlorinating water and chlorinate a molecule are still two things that are detrimental to human health. It interferes with gut flora, which was my point from the very beginning.

  8. Melissa Money Reply

    I have had the best success with Herbalife. Not only am I OFF all my medications but my lab work has never looked better! It is a product that changed my life and has made me healthier!

    • Thank You Concerned MD.. I agree with her, she is onto something about the food industry’s misguided labeling laws BUT if she did soil studies she would realize that the nutrients our grandparents and great grandparents got from the soil isn’t there anymore. Also, she is way off base with Herbalife, she did not do her background check due to her own product interest so she is spouting her opinion and was back peddling with you on many issues. Bravo to you!! If I may add my 2 cents, Herbalife does not say we are weightloss, we are a supplementation company giving the body what we cannot or do not get in our food sources due to our Nobel Prize winning, UCLA space age science food delivery system. We would not be in 86 countries, meaning 86 different FDA’s looked into our products and said oh these are unhealthy, come on in..no we are being asked to come into countries with nutritional deficiencies. If she would have looked with open eyes, she would have seen that there are people all over living a quality of life that they were not living before due to health issues where they were not getting nutrition they needed and because of the 3rd component to the Cellular Nutrition Program, they are now able to absorb what they are eating. Which is key to wellness, it does not matter what you eat if you cannot absorb it for utilization. I have a client who has no bowel, no digestive parts who was and should be sickly but due to our cellular nutrition (food she needs and can consume and tolerate getting where it needs to get to), she is living a quality of life she wasn’t living before. If you would have done all the research, and asked if anyone was gaining much needed muscle and burning off unwanted fat and living a quality of life again due to Herbalife supplements (things we can’t get from our food supply) I think you may have been surprised. The fact that Dr. Ignarro, Nobel Laureate and Doctor Heber, Head of Center for Human Nutrition at UCLA who won the Doctor Of the Year Award for the past 4 years are developing supplements for us makes it easy for me, their degree over mine any day. Oh, we own our own soybean fields and Aloe fields so we can control what we are consuming, it is called our Seed to Feed initiative Program..go research it..pretty cool. I am sure your title qualifies you to draw a valid opinion of your own but the fact that I am med free for 2 autoimmune diseases and my sister who has been on meds for 30 years for 2 different health issues and the doctors are amazed she is here and doing so well gives me a strong opinion too but I have facts to back them up and so do the other 60 million people around the world who are living a healthy active life because of Herbalife. Sadly, we do need to supplement and also need doctors and meds to prolong our life due to the food supply and industry and toxins everywhere. Also, we know there are some things in our products that may be on the gray line of what some may say are healthy. Sadly we Americans/humans will not eat it if it doesn’t appeal to us so we do the best we can with the science we have and keep everything else in balance so when the body gets, absorbs so itcan use what it needs…we if the body can will take over and clean up some of the damage done to it. You may not get it as you seem to be healthy but there are many who do not have the time to figure out what to eat or are too sick to deal with it or may not be able to afford to do the shopping to get everything they need to eat properly. Add into this,70% of all deaths are caused by heart disease, cancer strokes and diabetes…sadly 50% of those deaths could have been prevented if people were eating properly and getting what they needed. UCLA and a team of doctors do that for us, develop a program for such concerns that is doctor approved…Herbalife is Fast Food for Smart People!! Pyramid Scheme, I became a coach with the company after life changing results and as a single mom, widowed, with nothing more than a high school education owning my own home and putting a roof over my children’s heads..I have been able to make more than my sponsor for years. Just like any business, if you do the work, you get the pay. That would not be happening in the work world. Try looking at a traditional company…does anyone make more than the person above them who hired them in? Yet, we who follow the DSA rules and regulations are a pyramid scheme? Am I a brand? I sure as heck hope so as I give people hope daily and teach them to dream again and I sleep very, very well at night. I pray you never lose your health and if you do, someone gives you hope because with your mindset about supplements and doctors, you may regret it. Be Well, http://www.wellnesswithcyndi.com

      • Cyndi, what I gather from this largely incoherent babble is that you’re insinuating I am not a qualified health coach. “I pray you never lose your health and if you do, someone gives you hope because with your mindset about supplements and doctors, you may regret it.”

        How do you know what my mindset about supplements and doctors is? You assume I don’t use or approve of supplements because I exposed what an inferior product Herbalife is? Herbalife could have 100 qualified doctors on its panel and it would still be an inferior product. It is made from processed ingredients and synthetic toxins. This is a fact. Please do not comment on my website and insinuate that I do not know what I’m talking about when you have no idea about the dangerous ingredients in the product youre peddling. I also suspect you have very little knowledge about proper vitamin and mineral supplementation; vitamins and minerals in the body require a very delicate balance.

        Herbalife uses processed soy. I could care less if Herbalife has created their own growing operation, I haven’t found anything saying they will not be using genetically modified soy, which causes cancer and infertility, among other diseases. Considering nothing in Herbalife’s products appeare organic, I’m betting even more are genetically modified. Here’s an interesting article on what GMO products do in tests with rats:

        http://www.naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html

        I use targeted whole foods, whole food supplements and herbs to help those who aren’t in ideal health. This includes myself when I’m sick. I love supplements, but I’m betting you have no idea about vitamin, mineral or herbal supplements. I would not promote cheaply made junk that can make the people who own the company a lot of money while unsuspecting “wellness coaches” peddle their garbage.

        Here are some of your other “points” I take issue with.

        “BUT if she did soil studies she would realize that the nutrients our grandparents and great grandparents got from the soil isn’t there anymore.”

        I’m sorry, have you done soil studies? It’s pretty ridiculous to say that because I haven’t done soil studies (which I highly doubt you know how to do) I am not aware that our soil isn’t as nutrient dense as it once was. Of course I know this. One of the reasons is due to widespread growth of genetically modified crops like the very soy Herbalife uses, depleting the land, while also spraying it with Roundup.

        “she is way off base with Herbalife, she did not do her background check due to her own product interest so she is spouting her opinion and was back peddling with you on many issues.”

        In what way was I back peddling? This is not a rhetorical question, I want an answer to this because I doubt you have one.

        What exactly are my own product interests? Giving a link to a whole food protein powder with actually recognizable ingredients? With ingredients that a person can actually pronounce? From a sustainable farm? With non-denatured proteins? My bad.

        “If I may add my 2 cents, Herbalife does not say we are weightloss, we are a supplementation company giving the body what we cannot or do not get in our food sources”

        What can’t we get from food sources? I’d really like to know. Because there is literally no vitamin or mineral that cannot be obtained from food sources. While the vitamins and minerals in food is reduced due to how they’re grown, pollution, etc, there is still literally no vitamin or mineral we can’t get from food. When there are specific vitamins and minerals that are difficult to obtain from food, I again recommend whole food supplements. So what are these vitamins and minerals you think we can not obtain from food?

        “Which is key to wellness, it does not matter what you eat if you cannot absorb it for utilization.”

        I’m well aware of this fact, which is why I often recommend people heal their gut using specific modalities to be allow for proper utilization. The products in Herbalife do not do this, they do the opposite. The ingredients in Herbalife are highly difficult on the GI tract. They are a large source of toxins.

        “If you would have done all the research, and asked if anyone was gaining much needed muscle and burning off unwanted fat and living a quality of life again due to Herbalife supplements (things we can’t get from our food supply)”

        Again, what can’t we get from the food supply? I might suggest do your own research. You can burn fat and gain muscle on several unsatisfactory diets; it doesn’t mean that those diets are adequate.

        “Oh, we own our own soybean fields and Aloe fields so we can control what we are consuming, it is called our Seed to Feed initiative Program.”

        All I could find about this is that it is in China, which is sketchy to me due to their regulations. Again, are they organic growing practices? I doubt it.

        “I am med free for 2 autoimmune diseases and my sister who has been on meds for 30 years for 2 different health issues and the doctors are amazed she is here and doing so well gives me a strong opinion too but I have facts to back them up”

        This is anecdotal. You’re still consuming toxic “foods” which may (probably) negatively impact you in the future.

        “we do need to supplement and also need doctors and meds to prolong our life due to the food supply and industry and toxins everywhere”

        Yeah, there are toxins in Herbalife. We need to supplement from whole food sources, like fermented cod liver oil.

        “Also, we know there are some things in our products that may be on the gray line of what some may say are healthy. Sadly we Americans/humans will not eat it if it doesn’t appeal to us so we do the best we can with the science we have and keep everything else in balance so when the body gets, absorbs so itcan use what it needs…we if the body can will take over and clean up some of the damage done to it.”

        This entire statement is ridiculous.

        “many who do not have the time to figure out what to eat or are too sick to deal with it or may not be able to afford to do the shopping to get everything they need to eat properly. “

        Many who do not have the time to figure out what to eat or are too sick to deal with it…are going to get scammed by Herbalife pushers. Consuming Herbalife is not “eating properly” it’s consuming toxic by-products.

        “Add into this,70% of all deaths are caused by heart disease, cancer strokes and diabetes…sadly 50% of those deaths could have been prevented if people were eating properly and getting what they needed”

        I agree that death and disease can be prevented through proper diet, Herbalife ain’t it. So before you insinuate I’m not a good health coach, you may want to actually do some research on the entirely toxic ingredients you’re scamming unsuspecting victims into buying.

        • Also great bit of info at the end of cindi’s blog

          “Herbalife products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. However, when the body is getting complete nutrition at the cellular level amazing results can occur”!

          “An extensive questionnaire generated responses from more than 200 U.S. Herbalife Independent Distributors about their weight-loss programs and results. They reported weight loss ranging from 4 pounds to 167 pounds and a reduced body mass index (BMI) of 1.5 points to 24.1 points, suggesting that consumption of Herbalife products is associated with weight loss and improvement
          in BMI in those ranges”.

          Suggesting that you make money of other peoples down fall…What a low life excuse for a person you are cindi..

        • Please let me know your basic qualification and expertise in nutrition field.

          • dani stout

            There is an entire “About” section.

      • Cindi sells herbalife of course it made her feel better…
        You dont need to be a rocket scientist to compare and see that naturally grown foods are better then any weight loss shakes(even if they try to say its not what they pushing).
        I love that you let these people dig bigger holes for themselves by trying to sell there crap on your blog…
        Keep it up cindi and go the same way as the founder of Herbalife…Lol

    • Shashi Kant Garg Reply

      Gr8…Melissa…..herbalife also saved my life ,thanx to this wonderful nutrition n thanx to mr.mark hughes for creating a mind bogling compensation plan ….keep it up…herbalife is based only on fact since 1980. jan 2013 to march 2013….increased quaterly sales by 13%…..gr8 co. gr8 leadership,Best NAB & MAB
      . Even best national international brand ambassadors…really they r not in search of money like david becham to mispresent any brand.

    • It made you better because you don’t have the self discipline to prepare truly nutritional (real,raw) food. Try a paleo diet, drink vegetable juices made at home and cut out a large percentage of grain in your daily intake. You will lose weight. Your too lazy, you would rather make a shake and call it a day. Depriving your body of all the naturally occurring vitamins ,minerals,enzymes and phytochemicals present in real unprocessed food. Did I say expensive ? Spend that money and pastured meats ,eggs and veggies . Then will you aachieve true nutrional success. Only then will you be caring for your cells, not your pooch and love handles. Real health is achieved on a cellular level, not just a superficial one.

  9. We are all being scammed, wether its the organic foods, nutritional supplements.. Etc… But dont be trashing other companies if you prefer otherwise..

    • I buy my food from local, organic, family ownded farms. How exactly are they scamming me?

      As a health coach, I feel responsibility to point out inferior and toxic products that are pushed on unsuspecting consumers thinking they’re making a healthy choice.

      • You are funny Dani, just because you are getting locally grown foods, doesn’t mean that these people aren’t using pesticides! Truth be known, that a lot of these “so called organic groceries” are selling much produce that is actually sprayed with pesticides, as the “locally grown produce” most times isn’t certified as organic and these groceries get away with tricking the customers into thinking they are getting organic produce by stating that they are locally grown! Also, what exactly is your professional and scientific background that provides you with such great authority on what is and isn’t good for us? I would like to know! I can tell you for myself, that as a 43 yr old mother of 5, I myself having been on Herbalife products for well over 2 yrs, have never looked or felt better in my entire life, and I was an athlete in high school, and even now, my over all health, not only mentally and physically far exceeds that of what it did over 25 yrs ago, I attribute this in great part to Herbalife products! My skin, my hair, my nails, my energy levels, my mental clarity, not suffering symptoms of depression anymore, and so on…, the list is endless, and my health is improving everyday! I went for my annual cancer screening and mammogram early this year and the receptionist at the clinic, also a nurse asked to see my id because she couldn’t believe that I was even old enough to even warrant the need for an annual mammogram, she literally thought I was only 25! If i’m not getting nutritional value from these products, then it must be magic, right? Maybe, instead of insinuating that Herbalife products are truly toxic that you should do your homework homework and research the many millions of people who have actually been consuming Herbalife products for many years and track their health and results since they have incorporated these products into their daily lives, and especially the health of those who have been consuming Herbalife products since they were in their mothers womb! I too was the biggest skeptic on products such as Herbalife, but in hearing the testimonies of others and their amazing health results inspired me to give them a try, and I can tell you, it was one of the best decisions of my life, and I can’t imagine a life without these products, my health and quality of life is amazing and has never been better!

        • dani stout Reply

          I don’t just get locally grown foods and nowhere do I say that. I get locally grown AND organic foods, so not being sprayed with pesticides is standard. I know where my food comes from, I’ve met the farmers, I’ve developed relationships with them. Can you say the same?

          If you would both to actually read more than this one article on my site, you would know that my professional background is a Certified Nutrition Consultant as well as independent nutrition researcher. I’d also like to add that it doesn’t take a genius to simply read the ingredients in Herbalife products to know that they are toxic (…or does it?).

          I honestly think it’s great that you feel so good. Though you could achieve better results eating real, unprocessed, nutrient dense foods. Also you’re consuming GMOs. If you’re not aware of how dangerous they are, I suggest reading my article on them. I am not “insinuating” that Herbalife products are toxic, I am STATING it. So ya know, maybe you should do your homework. Can you respond to the fact that there is GMO soy in Herbalife, or that fact that it’s highly processed? Or the fact that ALL of the products in Herbalife products are synthetic, full of chemicals and highly processed?

          I genuinely feel bad for any fetus or child that has been exposed to Herbalife products by the way.

          • kimberly

            Sure you have a personal relationship with the farmers! I seriously doubt that! Also, anyone can become a certified nutritionist in as little as 2 wks with an online course! That certification means nothing to me! But I can tell you, that I certainly respect the degrees and credibility of the doctors on our nutrition Advisory Board! And your comment about feeling bad for any fetus or child being exposed to Herbalife products, you should meet some of the children, now adults in the Herbalife community that have been consuming them from the day they were conceived in their mothers womb, and check out their health stats and look at how amazingly healthy they look, some are even as old as 30, so you tell me how terrible these products are for a person after meeting them!

          • dani stout

            Kimberly, I understand that you have some weird, emotional connection to Herbalife and that’s why you’re lashing out and making rude and completely unfounded statements. But you’re ignoring one huge part of my response to you:

            Can you respond to the fact that there is GMO soy in Herbalife, or that fact that it’s highly processed? Or the fact that ALL of the products in Herbalife products are synthetic, full of chemicals and highly processed?

          • parentof4

            Dani, Herbalife does not have GMO in their products. Here is the proof http://www.lifestyle-herbal.com/resources/HerbalifeNONGMO.pdf
            Just because you went to school doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about. If people did their own research, they would realize that Soy Isolate means that fat was isolated from the soy bean to make a healthier product. Maybe you should go back to school. Then again, maybe not as you didn’t learn how to properly research before making an arguement. I do agree with healthy living, however I also agree with Herbalife.

          • dani stout

            The very first sentence of that link:

            “In response to consumer preference, Herbalife reformulated its line of Inner Nutrition products marketed within the European Union to avoid use of genetically modified (GM) ingredients.”

            The Inner Nutrition line is GMO free…IN EUROPE. I am clearly in the US, where GMO is an issue, as majority of farmland is rapidly being taken over by genetically modified mono crops. Herbalife is not GMO-free.

            Also, you may want to do some proper research on what you put in your body instead of blindy accepting what you hear. Yes, soy protein isolate is what is leftover after the soy oil is removed, this does not make it healthier, especially considering that the process to remove the oil from the bean involves hexane, a neurotoxin. The soy oil is then use in virtually every junk food on the face of the earth (including Herbalife). After removing the oil, the industry realized they had a lot of leftover, overly processed soy to use; so they marketed it as a healthy product; which is why mock meat is so popular and considered healthier than real meat. It isn’t. Mind you, they also bleach and deodorize the soy, after processing it to all hell.

            So good luck agreeing with Herbalife.

      • Omg…This is so redundant. I can’t stop reading this, it’s like a train wreck. I mean now I’m about to read some chicks attempt to be flip about organic farms being organic in a haute tone. Love you Dani for having the patience for this, wow people are so negative and argumentative.

    • I absolutely agree with you Adriana! How do we really know anymore what is safe. .The air that we breathe is polluted, the water that we drink is unsafe, bottled water also might be unsafe to drink from plastic bottles etc…
      The only safe way way would be to live in isolation far from the big cities and grow your own food and animals. How many of us can rea,ky achieve this? Organic food might also be toxic unless you grow it yourself, right.
      Losing weight is easier said than done. Health coaches, doctors and likewise Nutritionists claim that people wanting to lose weight should control their portion and food intake. However there people whondo not have control and for them the orotein shakes are a great solution. They are never advised to take them all their lives…once the weight is gone, it is all about maintenance. Herbalife coaches work hard on re-educating people about their eating habbits and teach them how to eat and live healthier. The message is sperading ans working for 60million satisfied customers!

    • Your being fooled. I buy from local verified sources . Direct from the farm. For those who can’t handle the work involved in feeding your organism as nature intended ,please don’t complain about your poor health.

  10. I think that you are probably correct it most of the dietary guidelines you observe, however I think you are unfair and misguided when it comes to other options. I am fully aware after reading your blog artical and then the ensuing comments that you have an opinion and this is your blog and you don’t particularity care what anyone thinks and so the one thing I will say, as a herbalife coach, is that some people don’t have the ability or should we say desire to eat the way you do. When I came across herbalife I had tried many different paths for weightloss, energy and nutrition and none of it got results. I am the first person to admit that I am a convenience junky, so what you are prescribing for a healthy diet doesn’t appeal to me. What I am getting at is, maybe herbalife processes their food more than is ideal, however, I would rather have an herbalife shake than eat what 90% of Americans are eating that is convent and you can’t argue that that is what the majority of people are looking for. Those labels may not look good to you, but I have many many close friends who have been using herbalife as a meal replacement for 10, 20 and even 30 years and they are easily some of the most health conscious and healthy individuals I know. So while you have your opinion about herbalife and how it is processed and full of toxins, I choose to look around me at the hundreds of thousands of people who now have their health and lives back as well as the hundreds of doctors who stand behind herbalife and go from there. I wish you the best and I am sure you are an excellent nutrition coach.

    • Shashi Kant Garg Reply

      Gr8 response as a herbalife product lover…..there r so many persons …their age is below 33 yrs (herbalife age)…..scammers can’t move forward cosistantly……like herbalife,in any situation.

    • Does any of those herbalames know how to properly write in English?? Like, seriously, I’m from Spain, English is my FOURTH language… And this is killing me!! Btw guys, herbalife has been disappeared in Europe for YEARS. I saw it like 7 years ago back home, then never saw it again until I came to the states. Every single person in Europe that knows about herbalife thinks is a piramid scheme. Sorry guys.

  11. My son Jeremy that’s 4 broke out in hives twice from eating Herbalife protein bars. The first time he broke out we thought it was the grass. But after giving him just 1/2 the bar the second time he broke out. Lasted a week while giving him meds to help. I used Herbalife before and lost weight but didn’t really know what the ingredients they put in them. I thought Soy was good for keeping your appetite down and giving you the feel that your full. Thanks for the insite and I’m going to try the WHEY protein this time.

    • Soy is extremely allergenic, he may have been reacting to it, or the gluten. Well, considering how many processed and nutritionally poor ingredients they use it could have been a lot of things. Glad you were able to figure out it was the Herbalife bars!

    • Shashi Kant Garg Reply

      gr8 testimonial…..anthony..God bless your son & herbalife food.

  12. Hi,
    Thanks for the info, i use to be Herbalife user too.. but since i know something not good on the products .. i stop taking it… anyhow it really works for losing weight but its bounced back if u stop taking it… hehe
    so currently im started to take another shake product called Isagenix.. have u heard bout this?? It is MLM also but its commented they are whey protein, organic produce… just wonder can u help me to check and see if this product save to be taken as i prefer shake as my breakfast replacement.. thanks…

    • I do not recommend Isagenix. The only protein powder I use or recommend is the one I linked to in the post. It’s the healthiest one I’ve found.

  13. I don’t think the bees know which plants are GMO and which ones are not. (Unfortunately, pesticides are killing them at an alarming rate.) Plants that pollenate each other via wind don’t know which gardens/farms are GMO or non-GMO.

    How can we truly know what is organic and what is not? We have ruined the soil with chemicals. We scrutinize even the compost and soil that we bring in for our home garden to make sure that it is sourced from non-pesticidal sources, and even then it isn’t 100% clear. Organic is better than GMO, of course, though it seems possible to have mostly organic yet impossible to have completely organic produce. How do we get rid of GMOs? Throw them away? That will leach into the soil that we will eventually grow our organic food from. Burn them? Add more pollutants to the air. These chemicals and mutants are here and we wish that they were not, because now we have to deal with them in order to return to overall health.

    Seems to me, it’s like introducing cats to an island riddled with rats only to find that they will kill all the native bird species that have never before been in fear of a predator. No one knew what the adverse effects would be when they sought to nix one problem by introducing a new one.

    I have always been a whole-food eater. My family was not, but I figured out how beneficial whole-food nutrition is at an early age. Fast forward through years of proper nutrition… As a biologist aiming for the holistic medical field, I feel that I researched soundly and ate well. Rotating seasonal foods, eating colorful variety with a balance of protein, carbohydrates and fat with each meal, eating frequent smaller meals, avoiding fast food and refined items, etc…

    What did I discover? Five main things. One, that vegetarianism is not for me; during those four years, I was sick with a cold that never truly went away. Two, dairy is not the greatest idea for my stomach. Three, refined gluten-filled foods are best avoided, but whole grain foods seem to have little adverse effect on my state of being. Four, Paleo is a great idea but all that bacon can’t possibly be healthy in the long run. Five, that even with a balanced whole-food diet and healthy lifestyle (athlete, circus arts, cycling, weight resistance, running), one can still have life-long health issues.

    Whether I was predetermined for it, caused by the lead level of my blood, by working the xray machine with a malfunctioning thyroid guard, or by malnutrition, I have Hashimoto’s hypothyroid. I have been on medication for years, continuing to live and learn about whole food healthy nutrition. And I felt terrible. All the time. Better than when I was off medication, for sure, but still fatigued and digesting improperly. I tried “natural” remedies, a compounded hormone (that worked really well), and a synthetic hormone that I am on now, which is obviously not as great as the compounded one.

    I am not “sold” completely on the Herbalife product, because the negative things I read about it concern me. However, I do know that when I used it last year, I felt great. I stopped using it for a while, but then started using it again about six months ago. I feel more energy and strength than I ever had before. Much better than when I was not adding it as an enhancement to my whole-foods diet. I am not a doctor or or a certified nutritionist, just an active health-conscious woman who wants to have energy to live, work, and create with fantastic exuberance.

    • dani stout Reply

      Hi Kate, there are ways to heal your Hashimoto’s naturally. Please email me if you’d like to discuss natural remedies. As I stated in the post, I do not recommend Herbalife. The bad far outweighs the good.

  14. Dean Shelton Reply

    I agree with everything you say Dani but have dear and good friends that sell the stuff and are genuinely brain washed and honestly believe in the sales model and quality of the product. They are like born again Christians but with Herbalife instead. I think that the culture and sales technique of the management of Herbalife is about as dangerous as the products themselves. You can’t say a word against the product because they take it as a slight on them.

    • dani stout Reply

      You know, I’ve really noticed that. It’s REALLY strange. Even though I clearly pointed out that Herbalife contains unhealthy, overly-processed, synthetic, genetically modified ingredients, people have just blindly looked passed this and have attacked me for saying anything negative about Herbalife. I understand that it helps people lose weight, but it’s NOT a healthy way to do so. They just can’t accept that. Definitely strange.

  15. What do you know about Nutrie / Automatic body. ? Is it a pyramid scam ?

    • dani stout Reply

      I haven’t heard of it. But, I really do not recommend most shakes/protein powders. The healthiest one and really the only one I can recommend is the one I linked to in the post.

  16. Great article Dani, with some fantastic points. I wholeheartedly agree, and I would also add that the answer to long term health/ fitness/ weight loss lies within us, not outside of us in an over-priced man-made product such as Herbalife. The answer lies in our behaviours, our beliefs, and our lifestyles. These need to change to bring us back into balance. I am a wellness coach, and I have helped thousands of people lose weight naturally, and keep it off. I have been approached by numerous Herbalife sellers to sell their product and my answer is the same “I prefer to empower people to change themselves, I do not sell any magic pill, because there is none”. Also well done Dani on your responses.

    • dani stout Reply

      “I would also add that the answer to long term health/ fitness/ weight loss lies within us, not outside of us in an over-priced man-made product such as Herbalife. The answer lies in our behaviours, our beliefs, and our lifestyles. These need to change to bring us back into balance.” EXACTLY! I think it’s amazing that you declined to sell their products and that you’ve helped thousands! Got any advice for a health coach just starting out?

  17. Peggy Pabon Reply

    I noticed all the negative comments by you about Herbalife. Are you such an expert on healthy foods yourself. Just because you call yourself a “Holistic Health Coach” doesn’t mean your any better than the Herbalife organization. ANY AID THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE LOSE UNWANTED POUNDS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. The weight loss process is a very complicated process. There are many reason a person is over weight.

    • dani stout Reply

      “ANY AID THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE LOSE UNWANTED POUNDS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.”

      Really? So using your logic, anorexia is a step in the right direction.

      And yes, I am an expert on health and healthy foods. Let me ask you what no Herbalifer has been able to respond to: how can Herbalife be good for you if it’s full of processed ingredients, GMOs, and toxins including trans and hydrogenated fats?

    • Do you think contracting beriberi is a step in the right direction? A 30 year old women was found to be suffering from Wernicke’s encephalopathy from a thiamine deficiency after spending eleven months on an Herbalife diet.

      She lost weight, and developed symptoms such as nausea, vertigo, unsteadiness of stance and gait, double vision, difficulty with opening her eyes, etc. She ended up hospitalized.

      You can read all about it here: http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20020610/herbalife-diet-linked-to-brain-ailment

  18. Dani,
    Thank you for posting this. I have a friend who is constantly touting the benefits of Herbalife – saying she’s never felt healthier, how she’s lost so much weight, etc. (although I don’t think she needed to lose weight at all), but I’ve always had my doubts since I’ve seen the list of ingredients in their shakes.

    Although I’m no health expert, I do believe in eating real food over the highly processed crap that is everywhere you turn. I’m in the process of doing research and becoming more aware of what I am putting in my body. Thanks again for showing the ugly side of Herbalife.

  19. Great insight, Dani!

    You are quite amusing!

    Herbalife is in revival-mode in my neck of the woods and my friends have recently joined. Yes, they’ve all lost weight but, equally, have all become akin to Scientology cult members. It’s like they have found a new religion and are thirstily lapping up – without question – all the hype and ‘ra-ra-ra’ mind techniques that are being poured over them in an attempt to get them to ‘sell, sell, sell!’

    My father, a doctor and WHO Coordinator (Director-General representative) for three countries over five years, taught me to question everything – sound advice that I have passed on to my daughter. When I questioned my friend about the farms and whether they grew GMO crops, he could not answer me. He excused himself by saying he was still in training! This would be the first question I would pose to any nutritional / food company that had asked me to sell their wares!

    I then went on to ask him if he was aware that the company’s founder had died at the tender age of 44. He looked at me blankly. Admittedly, there is nothing conclusive or that has even been suggested to link his demise with his herbal products. That said, he died of a drinking binge coupled with anti-depressant consumption, which was attributed to insomnia. One might question why a successful CEO of a health corporation would be an insomniac, depressed, smoke six to eight (toxic) cigars per day and ultimately indirectly take his own life. Certainly not an example of good health or the health-giving properties his products claim.

    I congratulated my friend on his new-found passion and advised him to undertake his own research and not blindly accept the proselytising of self-serving people. My friend then unwittingly admitted to me that our country market was not as strong as he had first indicated – i.e. he could not understand why his convention associates had spent thirty minutes picking his team’s brain as to how they had been so successful so quickly when, as one lady admitted, her success had taken twenty years. None of his team told their associates nor their leaders the real truth behind their unusual success for fear of imitation!

    I am all for success, the betterment of lives and the inspiration they provide. However, I am also big on Truth. I don’t like being treated as a fool nor treating others as fools. I cannot sell something about which I am not 100% convinced and whose integrity – product or corporate leadership – is not intact.

    I firmly believe research is key and no word should be taken as gospel until it is proven to one’s own satisfaction; because, remember, you become the face of the company for whom you stick your neck, reputation and credibility on the line. It is you who will be discredited if the fan takes a hit from something unpleasant that originates from a dark, nether region!

    In the words indoctrinated into Amway distributors, I say to you: ‘some will, some won’t, so what!’

    Some will do their own research, some won’t, so what!

    Some will accept the questioning, some won’t, so what!

    Some will get to know their product, some won’t, so what!

    Some will care what they put into their bodies and others’ bodies, some won’t, so what!

    You’ve made a strong case for questioning, Dani, and for that I thank you!

    • dani stout Reply

      Why thank you! I try.

      I had no idea about the founder dying at such a young age and under those circumstances. I love that your father taught you to question everything. It’s sad that more people do not do this. That’s what I don’t understand about Herbalife pushers. They do not question it at all. They blindly accept. In this post I specifically say that it may be effective for weight loss (and so is anorexia) but it is NOT healthy. People can’t accept this. They have blindly followed Herbalife so passionately, and yet none of them can answer simple questions regarding the processing, GMOs, etc. Thanks so much for your comment!

      • Im glad youre getting this info out, people will do anything to lose weight for a little while but these ingredients are similar to junk food ingredients like some chips and those cheap frozen foods.i lost alot of fat and became fit by working out 5 days a week and removing added sugar and wheat from my diet and drinking lots of tea and water i still have a ways to go,i also used whey shakes and organic super green foods,lots of delicious fresh fruit and getting out for a long walk in beautiful parks every weekend. If something makes people feel good they dont get angry when other people dont like it.if someone were to say, “apples are evil and give gas” i would say,hm,thats a funny thing to say. These folks go into a hateful tirade, unless of course, its the same h.l. troll pretending to be different people,it has same general tone and similar grammatical errors. If its real,then the anger stems from the fact that its not about health, its about money.people dont want you to expose their junk food ingredients as the company is the subject of a very public financial scandal.

  20. Also,non natural sugar replacements have, every single time, caused tumors during experiments.

  21. Dani,

    So glad you posted this and researched the product. Ironically, I specifically google’d this subject, because I had bought into the Herbalife line, to the tune of almost $300 because a friend of mine was continually posting on FB about the tremendous success her and her clients were having with the products. Lots of before and after pictures, and lots of six pack abs etc…

    After my first week, I felt very hungry and very bloated while using the all the different shake’s, tea’s & supplements…and even gaining weight none the less. After looking at the ingredients, I noticed the soy content, and thought about all the recent GMO findings in conjunction with soy, but I couldn’t really find anything correlating to it online in relation to the Herbalife line.

    In any event, I now have about 4 dried out containers of the shake powders in the back seat of my car, which were replaced by one $59 container of Lean Active Whey Protein. It works great as a meal replacement, and it doesn’t make me hungry…go figure 🙂

    Thank you for researching and posting!

  22. steve j barber Reply

    Amazing article Dani… Common sense prevails every time!

      • For someone who claims to know so much about health dani, you really should study about the human body before posting something such as this considering you’re actually embarrassing yourself. Rather remove the post and everyone can stick by on their own beliefs about this topic

  23. Gina Marie Reply

    Thanks for this information. I will look into the whey protein shakr you recommended. I found an awesome, easy recipe to take my protein shakes with: 1 banana, 1 cup of berries, 1tsp. Agave, 1/3 cup almond or coconut milk, 3 ice cubes and 1- tsp. flax meal ( ground up flax seeds from the blender that are stored in the freezer to preserve freshness). This is a serving for 2 people, FYI. I cut my bananas in half and store them in the freezer. Enjoy.

  24. Fernando Espino Reply

    All I can say is that of course its gonna be better to eat a wild turkey or wild lamb, and just all organic food than anything else!. But the truth is that, Human race has exploited Earth to the point that its now almost impossible to have a good healthy diet, you cant just go to work and go to a corner store and ask for some real foods and pay what your wallet can afford after work when you have class in one hour. My point is if you compare Herbalife to any fast food restaurant that you can find anywhere, its gonna be certainly better to have a shake. People have to be able to make decicions and I personally have many friends that know that fast food is bad for them, I offer them some good organic spinach with some good Pasteurized egg or whatever, super healthy breakfast. and yet will rather go to McDs! and thats how people are! many already know its unhealthy yet still go for the cheapest better tasting greasy food! If you are on the go, fulltime student fulltime job, whatever. making some wild turkey or wild lamb accompained with some good organic baby spinach for dinner is certainly a good option and very heaqlthy, not very efficient timewise though and impossible because most of mankind now live in cities not in the forest, therefore we have to engineer our foods too not just our cities. Sad But True :/

    • dani stout Reply

      That is ridiculous. We have no exploited the earth to the point that it’s next to impossible to eat organic foods. Buying organic foods ensures that we will continue to build this movement and not pollute our bodies or the earth.

      I work two jobs. Prior to working two jobs I worked full time and put myself through school. I hardly made any money. I still always managed to buy organic and cook for myself, because I prioritize being healthy. If you choose to not eat well, if you choose to buy crappy food and not cook for yourself, that is YOUR choice. If other people want to do that, it’s their choice. You make the choice to take care of yourself or not. Please do not make excuses for your poor food choices.

  25. Well done Dani, great post. It’s upsetting to see how many people have clearly become brainwashed by this awful product. Jamie Oliver attempted to change the way American school children eat. Most of them couldn’t even identify a potato, and his advice fell on deaf ears. It was heartbreaking to watch. It saddens me that so many people aren’t properly educated about nutrition and health – it’s not a complicated process.

  26. You eat Gmo fed chicken eggs and you have a brownie recipe made with chocolate with refined sugar.

    • dani stout Reply

      Aaron, you’re really grasping at straws. Just because I didn’t write “gmo-free” eggs doesn’t mean I don’t use GMO-free eggs. I buy majority of my food from the local, organic farmers market; including my eggs, which are raised on pasture and supplemented with organic feed. Also, my brownie recipe has less than 1 tbsp of sugar from sugar cane. These comments are ridiculous. Yes, I have a brownie recipe, a gluten-free-refined-sugar-free-organic-coconut-oil-rich brownie recipe. I have a lot of other healthy dessert recipes, you should probably check those out as well.

  27. I read the article and every comment. It truly amazes me that not one single person defending Herbalife would answer any of the questions you posed. Nor did any of them defend the long list of toxic ingredients. Sad really.

    Thanks for the article.

    • dani stout Reply

      I know! That’s what is so frustrating. The ingredients are indefensible, and I think they know that.

      Thanks for reading Tori!

  28. Great article Dani! I have to share this story with you:

    On several occasions a friend of mine asked me to go to this “free” boot camp. She asked so many times that I finally went.

    The whole idea of the “free” boot camp was so that you bought the Herbalife shake immediately afterwards. This was the first I had heard of the product so I asked to take a look at the ingredient list. I was in total shock that these people that were just pushing everyone to exercise to get fit and healthy were trying to sell this obviously synthetic, GMO-filled product.

    My friend knows I eat as clean and fresh as possible. When she saw me reading the ingredients, she immediately saw on my face that I was not happy about it. She felt really bad about bringing me, but it wasn’t a big deal to me. I just knew I wouldn’t drink the stuff. What baffled me the most was that she never even bothered to read the ingredient list.

    Needless to say, while they were all very nice, I never went back to the “free” boot camp.

    I also went through all the comments here and I was amazed that none of the Herbalife representatives could answer your questions and how they all seem to read from the same scripts. They all said the same thing over and over again. It was getting a little annoying honestly! 😉

    Anyways, thanks for the post! You confirmed my initial instinct of the product.

    • dani stout Reply

      That is so sad. People NEED to check the ingredients. Thanks for sharing!

      • Hi!

        I was recently approached by a co-worker to try Herbalife. Knowing that I want to lose 35-40 lbs or so, everything he said sounded totally awesome! Later I started to think…. well what ingredients do they use? What is in a meal replacement shake? When I asked my co-worker (via text), I received no response to my question.. but a redirection to the good Herbalife does for people. I didn’t think too much on it and decided to research for myself. I am glad to have found this article. I have a really great farmers market nearby I will start visiting more often. I think I will invest in a juicer. I am big on the meal replacement idea so maybe juicing organic and locally grown products might be the best option for me currently.

        Thank you for writing Dani!

        • dani stout Reply

          I’m so glad you thought to ask about the ingredients! It’s definitely better to drink a smoothie/juice instead of Herbalife. However I don’t recommend juice/smoothies as meal replacements, this can lead to nutrient deficiencies if not done properly, impaired metabolism and even over eating. If you feel that it’s right for you and works for your body, that’s great! Just be cautious, some people don’t respond well.

    • Lisa, your comment reminds me of the GNC store. I’ve only been in the store a couple of times with my triathlete and marathon runner friends. The ingredients on the products they bought (similar to Herbalife) reminds me of what Dani is trying to communicate – just because someone is selling you something doesn’t mean it’s good for you. We may not see in the short term negative results; however, do we really want to be the lab rats for the chemical industry?

  29. Vanessa Troost Reply

    Wow! I had no clue about herbal life that makes me sad cause I have lots of good friends who take this stuff! Have you looked in Genesis PURE products and ingredients? Just wondering your thoughts on these since you seem to do lots of research. Also do you have any thoughts on body by vi cause I got lots of friends who take this also. I was trying to find where you post what you recommend but couldn’t find it? Thank you for this research on herbal life wow – eye opening what people think are healthy and just aren’t!

  30. Some people are so close-minded that you can talk (type) until you are blue in the face! Thank you for this post I know people that sell nasty Herbalife and I tell them all the time that they are merely selling poison. Some people will never understand that losing weight and being healthy is as easy as choosing the right foods and getting up off the couch! If they can spend hours watching television or hours on the computer then they for sure have time to work out.
    Thank you for being awesome Dani!!!

  31. Maurine Murphy Reply

    Hi Dani! Thank you for taking the time to research;

    I would like to ask you for a couple of things since I am trying to compile some Herbalife research myself;

    could I get the links to the labels you posted above and also the source for the soy GMO -claim?

    Thank you so much!

    Maurine

    • dani stout Reply

      Hi Maurine,

      All of the info is directly on the Herbalife website.

  32. I agree with you Dani on everything.
    I wanted to lose a few extra pounds and came across Herbalife. I started on the two shakes a day with protein bars and lost a few pounds but was constantly hungry as I exercise two hours most days a week and also have a very physical job, I was also knackered all the time. I was advised to take the Herbalife thermo tea to give me an energy boost and burn more calories. The first time I had a cup of the tea I was so ill, I had to cancel work, I went very faint and was violently sick! It took me a good 24hrs to get over it. I carried on using the products for about 8months and in that time I had to have three fillings in my teeth, my dentist quizzed me about my diet and she was appalled she basically said all the crap in the products was rotting my teeth. I then fell very ill had changed nothing in my diet still on two shakes a day, protein bars and a good meal in the evening full of protein and veggies. I started having black outs and fits. I was in hospital for four days while they ran test after test and eventually I was diagnosed with Epilepsy. This is not the sort of illness you just develop, it is triggered by something unless you are bore with it. Myself and my neurologist are convinced it was the high intake of Herbalife products.
    I am now on a very clean diet of lots of protein, veggies and some fruit and whole grains, I make all my own sauces, brownies drinks etc… I have been able to reduce my medication for my epilepsy an now live a normal life again, back to my exercise and busy work schedule. I have loads more energy and feel great.
    The distributer of Herbalife I got my produces from stopped selling it as soon as they found out about my epilepsy. They now run a fits group called kick start fat loss which is all about clean eating, nothing processed at all and sourcing meat and veggies that are local, organic and sustainable.

    • dani stout Reply

      It’s awful that you went through all of that because of these products! I actually have epilepsy but I was born with it (it no longer affects me though). Ketogenic diets can be very helpful for epilepsy. I’m so glad you’re eating and feeling better!

  33. Daysi Franco Reply

    Hi, well I’m here for advice basically. I am an avid user of this stuff but I also look into loads of healthy foods and I know I can eat better if I just put some effort. Basically my breakfast I don’t have time so I drink a shake or a bar then dinner I do it as ell because its easier. I’ve lost a lot of weight over the summer. I started dieting well no, changing the way I eat this April and in May began with Herbalife. I’ve known about it so I know what I have to do to lose weight, I have lost a lot. Now, I kinda want to stop. Not because I’m getting sick of the stuff because I don’t want to be on it for the rest of my life.

    Now I pay attention to my meals, not just calories but the ingredients. I want to be a nutritionist well it’s something i’ve thought of… but now looking at the ingredients and the main one being Soy Isolate i started researching…. and I’m scared… because once i stop this will I gain all the weight back? I mean, once I stop i’m going to make sure i get a good break fast, like steel cut oats or egg whites and 2 pieces of whole wheat toast with a bit of avocado. I mean i want to be eating 6 times a day. Which is what I kinda do now but with the shakes:

    Here is my typical day:

    Breakfast – Shake
    Snack – Fruit/Yogurt with Granola/Protein bar or Fiber bar (not herbalife, i go into whole foods so i look into the bars they have)
    Lunch – It changes but i keep portions the same, like today i have a cup of brown rice, piece of chicken breast the size of my palm, cup and a half of broccoli and slices of sweet potato.

    snack 2 – today i had some low fat vanilla yogurt the australian kind i think its called wallyby? not sure with some organic chocolate granola i got from whole foods and some grapes

    i went to my aerobics class about an hour

    came home had 2 rice cakes with guacamole on top

    then the shake at the end…

    I don’t know i’m just scared of ending this Herbalife thing and having all the weight back on me… I now that with a little hard work i can do without it. I just don’t want the weight back on me… PLEASE HELP! Literally freaking out… 🙁 🙁 🙁

    I work out with aerobics and zumba class one hour each day, 6 days a week, basically want to burn off all the excess fat and get down to my goal weight and gain lean muscle.

    • dani stout Reply

      Hey Daysi,

      This is a very loaded question and there is no way I could answer it in a comment. First, no need to freak out!

      Second, I would ditch the Herbalife immmediately. You are literally putting toxins and chemicals into your body.

      Don’t fear food or gaining weight! For people to lose weight (if they need to) the focus needs to be on health, not on losing weight. If you’re healthy, you will lose weight. But if the focus is “getting skinny” that’s a very unhealthy mindset and one that doesn’t stick, which is one reason why people often gain all of the weight back.

      I would suggest searching around my site and reading some articles and recipes. The food you listed is pretty unhealthy; low-fat foods, refined carbohydrates and an overall lack of healthy fats is not a good diet.

      I would also suggest looking into lifting weights instead of just doing aerobics. It is healthier and will help you build muscle and lose fat much faster.

      Let me know if you have any questions!

      • Oh my, I really want to achieve a healthy life style. My mindset is not to be skinny but to be healthy and be lean along the way. I’m just impatient. But I realize that for my health it’s gonna take time. The food I listed was was no good?

        I mean now that I’m considering quitting the herbalist stuff I’ve lost lots of weight from it and I want continue in with eating real food.

        My problems are my breakfast what will I have? I know steel cut oats is an option I’m just afraid ill run out of healthy ideas just like my dinner. Her alive replaced both of those.

        I am really considering lifting weights but I don’t want to get really bulky and someone told me the fat will be harder to lose because your gaining muscle and so the fat turns into that. I dont think that’s really true but i keep thinking about it.

        I’m 19 and was very overweight. I’m also gonna try and see a nutritionist I just freak out a lot. I want to achieve this goal I’ve set for myself but being healthy isn’t about doing it fast its about my life.

        • dani stout Reply

          I usually have eggs and vegetables for breakfast. Super easy. Like eggs scrambled with onions, spinach, tomatoes, etc all cooked in grass-fed butter.

          It is not possible for women to get bulky from lifting weights. We do not make the amount of testosterone that is necessary to become bulky. It’s just not possible. I definitely suggest lifting weights over cardio.

          No need to freak out, you didn’t become overweight overnight and you won’t get back there overnight. You obviously care a great deal about your health and that’s great. Let me know if you have any other questions.

      • I hear pro herbalife people argue all the time “it makes you loose weight” yeah… A caloric deficit will do that to you… 180cal is simply not enough to sustain health and its mostly the newbies who have zero nutritional training other then the misinformation herbalife preaches that argue relentlessly…letme put it to your like this the old generation of herbalife had ephedrine derivatives in it… Go back to 1980 everyone on it would say they’re healthy but ephedrine’s do irreversible damage just like… Find someone on coccaine whose been using correctly for 5-10 yrs he’ll be skinner and look possibly healthier but now find him in 20yrs and if he’s still alive hell be irreversibly damaged… Furthermore to say herbalife is better than McDonald’s so it must be OK is ludicrous… It is not ok to instill poor eating/starving habits so people loose weight that’s a temporary fix… The last thing I’ll say is watch out for wolves in sheep’s clothing at herbalife… I come from family of Drs nutritionist and athletes/body builders… And we’ve all been approached to join soo they can show off already massively in shape people and claim we did it through herbalife… Just take a look at a photo of a team of herbalife people there the majority who were already fit and then there’s usually that guy who jacked off the juice… As a 15 yr bodybuilder and a someone with way more college time into nutrition then the average termtern of HL distributors let me just state for a FACT you cannot build muscle like that on that big of a caloric defficideficit

        • Sorry about the horrible grammar this site doesn’t run well on my phone – Ryan

        • dani stout Reply

          I think it’s awesome that you’re 15 and can recognize the junk that’s in Herbalife! Keep it up, Ryan!

          • Again I apologize for the grammar I’m a 15yrbbody builder as in 15yrs exp not 15 yrs old ps also saw a guy today whoclaims he gained 8lbs of leanin 3 weeks witha two shake one meal a day diet.The science begsto differ

          • dani stout

            Oh haha! That makes more sense than a 15- year-old body builder. That definitely confused me a bit. Thanks for the comment!

        • Most of the herbalife distributors i have met here in turkey are all fat.If the shakes are that good why have these fat mother ……
          not lost weight 🙂

  34. Hi dani, thank you for the information, as soon as i heard about hepatotoxicity in herbalife i am rushing out to find answer, i read journal, blogs, and landed here. Reading thoroughly on the comments save a lot of question. and yes, immediately ditch the products (ugh to think about the money i wasted for such things!)

  35. Hey Dani,

    Absolutly love your post. Was reading through the comments and saw that you mentioned Isagenix. Can you please maybe go into some more detail about this product and your thoughts? =) xxx

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  37. Dani – this is awesome! THANK YOU for writing this. I have recently seen a few trainers promoting Herbalife in my area and they really have no clue. Maybe people DO have some weight loss or positive results in the beginning but I cant even imagine what damage is really happening over time.

    People STILL want a quick fix. That’s it. Period. Learning about real food and cooking is just too much to imagine. The excuses are endless… and the validate nothing.

    Anyway… amazing job on the post AND the responses to people trying to argue completely ill prepared. 🙂

    • More exercise, and more healthy meals with a balanced diet too seems to be lacking with a lot of people I know/see that swear to Herbalife. A lot of people I work with guzzle it on a daily basis, but a lack of even basic exercise in their routine doesn’t help, and it actually makes me cringe when they use the stuff, especially when they swear blind by it and look to spend their hard earned money on more of it. No doubt when the fad passes the weight lost will soon return and another quick fix will soon be looked for. Agree with what you say Jessica, a bit of thought into your food preparation and meals goes a long way.

      Good article all the same, here’s hoping it bursts a few bubbles as to the myth of Herbalife being a miracle diet.

  38. Hi Dani

    Wonderful blog, Still do not understand why people do and try these knew fads, not even realising what they are putting into their bodies. It baffles me that they do not even know what is in these products, when asked..
    (I suppose ‘ignorance is bliss!’)
    Organic natural food and chemical free products all the way if you would love to lose weight (and maintain that weight) and have a healthy energetic body.

  39. “I get locally grown AND organic foods, so not being sprayed with pesticides is standard. I know where my food comes from, I’ve met the farmers, I’ve developed relationships with them. Can you say the same?”

    Well, good for you! So do you want the rest of humanity to start having a “closer” relationship with farmers and find the same sense of trust? And how many people do you think can do that?

    So what is your solution to this whole mess. Throw together a bunch of posters and slogans, march down Main Street and intimidate the billion dollar companies? Maybe throw in a article or two on you website and “get the word out”. Good lord. No offense, I’m actually with you on this but seriously. Things are so messed up it would take the Apocalypse to get us back to where things were – nutrition wise and most likely family wise as well. 😉

    If you really want to get down to the core of the problem then get rid of cell phones, cars (especially) , nuclear and coal, plastics (have you seen the damage that has been done to the ocean basin?), radio waves, etc. What both you and herbal life is suggesting is basically the same thing. Keep humanity alive as well as we can while they keep the wheels turning inside the monster humanity has created. It’s like a add for a Nuclear Plant:

    “Hey, did you remember to drink your rad pills this morning? Remember, a happy worker is a alive worker!”

    I try to be as health conscious as I can with the limited resources at my disposal. I don’t live on a farm, or even close by. I can tell you one thing though… Forget GM foods, the damage has been done a long time ago with selective- and cross breeding. Some of the farmer’s living around my parent’s in Ladismith (South Africa) are fourth and fifth generation and they have some interesting stories (“facts”) to tell you.

    I don’t endorse HB but I do think that in moderation and at times it can be beneficial. This stuff, as well as “lab farms” is going to be needed more and more as we trans humanize from human to… well, use you imagination.

    You see, if you want the civilization we have today then you are going to have to make some sacrifices. But don’t frett! (‘sarcasm’) We have the inherent potential to overcome these obstacles and to find a solution to every new problem the current course of humanity throws our way.

    The scrap metal from sunken boats in the deep sea are recovered by deep sea divers over the course of two to four weeks in submersion. In the early days these divers used to suffer from arthritis and bone denigration due to the oxygen helium mixture. But behold! Humanity has found a solution: a new mixture that has a very minor heath risk to the diver. Are we not clever.

    Overpopulation? Well, GM foods might be the solution. Or we could go for Genocide… mmmm.

    You see, civilization as we know it is a viscous cycle of invention and adaption that will never end. Herbalife is just part of that process.

  40. Nobody knows about GMO impact in long term. Maybe no bad impact at all… and/or not in all cases. It is new technology. All new is scarry.

    How you can be 100% sure that “natural grown in nature” does not have impact from acid rains?

    How you can be 100% sure that an label “grown naturally” is not just fake label on the product?

    At the end everybody dies anyway. Question is only about how you live your life – how much energy, inspiration and passion you have and how much of it you share with others..

    I see a lot of people to whom Herbalife products helped. Old people (over 90 years) have got out of beds, can walk, can meet other people. Womens lost more than 50 kg fats and have possibility to walk, to meet other people, to have babys and families. All they have inspiration and hope for better life. You should speak with parents whoses kids gained health by using Herbalife products. They are so happy and excited.

    As I am because my kid improoved health as well after using Herbalife products. It’s not only products – it’s education, community and inspiration.

    Yes, as any big organization, there can be mistakes and some people making mistakes, including founder who died at 44. That happened so long time ago but Herbalife is still growing as company and community, it is attracting more and more educated people, scientists, fitness instructors etc And products, marketing, comunication etc are constantly improoved.

    • dani stout Reply

      Actually it’s been proven in long term studies that GMOs cause accelerated tumor growth, inferility, cancer, inflammation and several other issues.

      I don’t buy food with labels. I buy local, organic food from farms.

      Herbalife doesn’t make anyone healthy, it makes them lose weight. There is a huge difference.

  41. From all previous comments about Herbalife products, what I can see is that you only concentrate on meal replacement, i.e. the shake … how about all the rest of the products? the skin care products, the multivitamins, the digestive, etc..

    • dani stout Reply

      I have not looked into those. I can if you’d like to provide a link.

      • You were attacking Herbalife Company, and now you say that you haven’t seen the rest of the products. Herbalife has more than 50 products for body wellness. Soy protein is used for almost 4 products… How about all the rest made of Herbs and natural substances.
        As for the link, it’s the same link where you found out about the Formula 1 Shake.

  42. Hello I have a healthy diet and I exercise regularly I use USN pure protein in my diet to help change my shape is this protein ok to use?

    • dani stout Reply

      Hi Naomi,

      Can you provide a link to the ingredients?

  43. Hi Dani,

    Could you let me know what you think of the flavoured whey protein at the web sight I quoted for my protein.

    Thanks

    • dani stout Reply

      Not good, I immediately noticed soy and sucralose.

      • That’s great, thanks Dani 🙂 Just starting out on the whole shake journey and really not sure what to go for :-/

  44. I personally emailed Dani to show my support, but I wanted to publicly say that Herbalife is crap. It’s amazing that these products are even allowed to be sold.

    • dani stout Reply

      Their American products are still genetically modified, they clearly state they only use non-GM products in Europe. This link also proves that they use products from animals that are fed GMOs.

  45. The statement regarding animals is on the statement in 2008.
    The newest statement says all ingredients are gmo free.

    • dani stout Reply

      Well would you like to provide a link to that statement then? Because I have been unable to find anything at all verifying that Herbalife is certified GMO free.

  46. The link I gave tells you the previous statment at the bottom of the page and the new statement at the top along with the dates (2008 and 2011).
    The 2011 statement says that all inner nutrition ingredients are NONGMO.

  47. Everything you have said is absolute rubbish. If we have the likes of Christiano Ronaldo, David Beckham and the like using our products then we are either the worst undercover scam in the world or we are the best company out there – why would these elite athletes go for anything less than the best? Do your homework first before spouting a lot of ignorant garbage.

    • dani stout Reply

      Hi Andy,

      What exactly is rubbish? I linked directly to the toxic ingredients they use. If Herbalife is healthy, please answer what NO other Herbalife supporter has been able to answer:

      How are GMOs healthy?
      How is MSG healthy?
      How is sucralose healthy?
      How are rancid vegetable oils healthy?

      Like you said, it’s a scam. Athletes endorse Herbalife beause they are paid a lot of money to endorse Herbalife.

      I suggest doing your homework before making uninformed comments on my website or pushing these toxic products on unsuspecting people.

      • I’ve been doing this for just over a year now, so I’m clearly not misinformed. You however have only just stumbled across it by chance and immediately think that your “knowledge” in nutrition surpasses that of 9 of the best doctors in the world – including the only man in history who has received a Nobel Laureate for his work in medicine and nutrition – would you care to explain how you clearly assume your superiority in this area?

        You also clearly cannot grasp basic sarcasm – I did not say it was a scam literally, if you’ll actually read back my comment on the subject you’ll (maybe) realise this. Ronaldo etc don’t just endorse the products – they also use them to ensure they are taking serious care and attention towards their nutrition as part of their results: if you were Ronaldo’s nutritionist or manager, would you allow him to take any supplement or product that was even remotely considered dangerous or harmful to such an elite athlete? Maybe you would (since you clearly lack any sound knowledge of basic core nutrition in general) but his real manager(s) and nutritionist(s) wouldn’t allow a single bit of it near him!

        Do yourself a favour – take this biased and ridiculous opinion off your extensive blog of lies or whatever you want to call it and actually go and train as a nutritionist like I did BEFORE I became part of Herbalife. There is absolutely nothing they say that I can really argue with at all in all honesty and I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if you got your nutritional “experience and knowledge” through an ill-informed and unreputable source (Wikipedia comes swiftly to mind). A company doesn’t last almost 34 years if it’s a scam – do you know of any pyramid or ponzi schemes that lasted more than even 10 years? No? That makes several million of us then!

        • Andy: why didn’t you answer any of her question, you mighty trained nutritionist?

          How do you know that Ronaldo is using these products? Are you his nutritionist? Anyone who would get paid millions of dollars would promote anything, even poison if it was “wrapped up in a nice package”. In youtube video, Ronaldo was introduced to Herbalife and had no idea what it was, you can see that he has no idea what Herbalife is – you can check it out, it’s on youtube. And that was when he was already promoting it.

          Herbalife is successful because it has fooled a lot of people. I know a lot of people who are selling it and I can see that they actually believe what they are saying, because they are naive and stupid. I also know some of them who stopped drinking Herbalife shakes, because they had some serious health issues because of this “magic shakes”, after a long time using it. But there is no point of telling you that, because you are blind and ignorant.

  48. Dani,

    Have you heard of the fat flush diet? Any thoughts?

    I went to a woman who claimed to be a dietician/nutritionalist. I made an appt and showed up to a Herbalife rep in sheeps clothes. I eat extremely healthy. I knew it was fishy when she said eating a shake is a quick easy meal better than Burger King. I was so confused. You see the last time I ate food from a fast food place was a child and a friends mother took me. Fast food wasn’t an option in my life or family. I honestly don’t know anyone who eats that way so I don’t believe that is standard.
    Regardless I was offered a smoothie but was confused bc there was no fruit just powder. I drank it. I was offered green tea. It was made with a powder. I am not a doctor or a nutritionist but health and powdered don’t go together in my mind.
    I’m not sure which one but I felt horrible immediately. Then all day. I’m super sensitive. I knew something was off it tasted artificial.
    When you’ve eaten healthy, local, organic, non-processed food, you have extremely sensitive taste for artificial. A coke a cola is a cup of salty corn syrup in my mouth.
    I went to find help. I gained 40 lbs this year bc of my thyroid. I won’t drink a powder. I was scammed out if an afternoon.
    I found this person on a truly misleading yelp advertisement.
    I believe in what you believe. And of course I grow my own food and know my farmers. But to all of those who don’t have that in their life. You can. There are farms everywhere. Organic farms. Everyone can grow food.
    Lucky for me I live in San Francisco and will find an honest nutritionist.
    Love & Light,
    Elle

    • dani stout Reply

      Hey Elle,

      I haven’t heard of the fat flush diet. In general I’m not a fan of diets but if you provide a link to it I’ll be happy to give a quick review.

      I love your entire comment. Can’t believe any RD would recommend Herbalife, but they do. It’s so unfortunate.

      Good luck with everything and thanks for the comment!

  49. Sue them if you think you have enough arguments and if you think you’re smart! Maybe you’ll get rich :)))))) Do you think that a crappy product can be for 30 years on the market? Do you still think that a crappy product can be sold on over 90 countries?!!
    People have good results on using this products so stop being a hater!

    • dani stout Reply

      MSG, vegetable oils, additives and tons of other products have been on the market for 30 and years and in all countries. Does this somehow make them healthy? That’s incredibly poor logic.

      If Herbalife is healthy, please answer what NO other Herbalife supporter has been able to answer:

      How are GMOs healthy?
      How is MSG healthy?
      How is sucralose healthy?
      How are rancid vegetable oils healthy?

      • Hey guys, Ive loved reading this debate. I am still in the process of distributing this Shake. Yes I have 100% customer satisfaction, yes my kids love it, yes theres success there but you have to work hard. I hate sales. I love people talking to me about the products. It it such a wonderful feeling when you help an overweight person, a child with an eating disorder, people reaching their goals. But recently I had a massive reaction to something. My entire body was swollen and I was in agony. I have never experienced pain like it. This started at 3pm and I had nothing but Herbalife shakes and supplements. I am, after 48 long hours now 95% well. I cannot blame Herbalife for this, nor can I put it down to anything else. I have started to research more in depth to the products and ingredients, which leads me here. I am horrified and won’t be using them again. I loved using the products and it’s convenient, but nothing beats raw organic home grown home cooked vegetables. I have no degree, or certificates that will ‘prove’ I know what I am saying, but I have experience of all kinds. Time some you put down your laptops, dig a hole in the ground, add some seeds, weed periodically, water regularly, have a little patience and cook cook cook. Dani, I asked these questions to a a forementioned research team. The response was a bunch of rules and regulations I can and cannot use during my distribution……

        • dani stout Reply

          I’m sorry you were in so much pain! That really is terrible and no one should have to go through that.

          But I’m glad you gained some clarification on the ingredients (even if it wasn’t from Herbalife, who should have given it to you). Good luck with everything and thank you for the comment!

    • Lol tobacco products have been selling forever, and they’re not good for you.

        • Hi my friend works at herballife and is telling me there stuff is good and has helped him lose body fat but you seem for sure knowing what your talking about bascially all their products from a to z are crap email me if you can thank you.

  50. http://Www.fatflush.com

    Thanks. Honestly I’m just wondering bc my best friend is doing it. I think it’s extreme. I’m trying to follow a self modified version. The current website tries to sell products but originally her book suggested going to the health food store and buying vitamins and protein shakes, etc. I’ve directed a couple people to your blog.

    On another note to the person who keeps saying they’ve been around for 30 years as a reason for it being good for you. That is a ridiculous statement. Jenny Craig has been around that long too and it also works helping people regulate portion size and calories. Jenny Craig is also processed and unhealthy. No one is saying Herbalife doesn’t help people lose weight. And obviously losing weight is healthy. The question Here in this discussion/friendly debate is (and this might blow your mind) Are the ingredients in these diets actually healthy for you? Is this way of eating healthy? And for someone concerned with that is there a better way? Or is this a good way? In the sense of good for me. Personal. Subjective.

    On another note, why would Dani want to sue them. Why would she care? She isn’t eating the product so it doesn’t effect her in a negative way. This is her observation about the ingredients. It’s just facts. She read the ingredients and her observation.

    People do and believe whatever they want and find important for their life. Whatever floats your boat or what have you…some people choose to eat a burger from mcdonalds, I chose to eat a grass fed, organic, pastured beef burger from the local farm where six months ago I walked in the field and pet the cow. And thank you Dani I read about that protein powder and am going to order a bag.

    Before I end my rant I just want to say the intensity of close minded ness of the people who sell/use this product is truly interesting. My father always told me never to get involved in pyramid schemes.

    • dani stout Reply

      Exactly! Thanks for the comment!

      As for the fat flush, I don’t support any diets, generally speaking. I think people should eat real food that our ancestors ate in the amount and macros that are appropriate the the person individually. I took a look at the site and the shake, and while it makes statements like “made out of pea and rice protein and healthy fats” I can’t actually find the ingredients listed anywhere. Am I missing it?

    • dani stout Reply

      Hi Jon,

      Herbalife DOES use GMOs, they only have non-GM products within Europe. This is significant because:

      A) I am in America, as are majority of people who consume Herbalife.
      B) Over 90% of soy, canola, cottonseed, etc are genetically modified in the states.

      • Dani,

        Even if Herbalife used non-GMO ingredients (and I’m not saying they do in the US) isn’t their ingredients chemistry not food? I use the word chemistry as man-made and food as items that come from the earth.

        I’d love to hear your thoughts!

  51. Viviana Avalos Reply

    Im in shock right now. I found out I’m a ovary body type and soy is the #1 thing i should not be taking in my body. To find out that the meal replacement shake I’ve been taking in for 2 years contains so much soy has me devastated. HA and no its not better than going to mcdonalds? Its the same thing. My opinion of this trademark has completely shifted with 30 minutes of research.

    • dani stout Reply

      Soy is a no-no for all people, unless it’s been properly fermented and only in very small doses. Don’t beat yourself up about it, now you know and you can make the necessary changes to lead a truly healthy life!

  52. Hey thanks for the post I Use Herbalife myself and sell it as a Distributor

    I am quite concerned about what people are saying about Herbalife.

    I agree not all the ingredients are natural but i use the shakes and i havent had any side effects i drink them with soya milk too

    There is more to Herbalife than shakes though and i cant see them using bad substances as the people behind it are nutrition experts and scientists we have 1000s of happy customers..meeting i go to i get a posotive vibe we have changed peoples lives its a fact.. we have been going for 33 years and we are worlds number one we are not saying we got a miracle cure but a much healthier lifestyle

    It might be different in the USA as i am in the UK and the products are slightly different over here

    Daniel

  53. Hi Dani!
    first of all thank you so much for this article. I think it is absolutely hilarious how all of the herbalife advocates seem to be copying and pasting success stories and the same info about all of the wonderful doctors that are being paid off by the company. I too stumbled upon herbalife products through some “health coaches” on Instagram, I’ve been looking for something I could take pre- workout since I’ve had a hard time pulling through my workout for the last couple of days and I just wanted to take my body to the next level. Anyway, I emailed an hl distributor asking about the ingredients and if it contained artificial sweeteners and he told me that it didn’t and then directed me to the site where I had to create a login to view the products. I’m not sure if I was looking in the right place but I wasn’t able to find the ingredient list for the product I thought I was interested in. That is how I came across your article and immediately after reading the ingredients I knew that I wouldn’t even touch the product. I guess the only way to break down this article is that it is not for every one! For me, it is exactly what I was looking for. I know that not all farmers say the truth about whether they use pesticides or not but I do my best and buy my produce, meats and fish from my local farmers market… And I do ask a lot of questions, it might not all be true or perfectly natural but it is better than consuming a product like herbalife. For people that are seeking the truth about this product and are interested in their health and don’t mind preparing their meals containing the nutrients that we need, this is a wonderful article. For people who are just looking to lose weight and are not concerned about their long term health and absolutely do not care about the ingredients that are listed in plain ENGLISH! This is not the article for you!!! I get that people work and have many jobs and go to school and those are all called excuses… Excuses are what you make for something that is not a priority in your life…. There are tons of people that prep their meals on the weekend for the whole week… You can make healthy banana bread at night and eat it for breakfast or overnight oats that don’t even require cooking… I know people will be offended by this but herbalife is basically for LAZY people! Ok end rant lol

    • dani stout Reply

      Hi Marlene!

      I agree, and I’m glad you were able to find this article before buying into Herbalife products. Thanks so much for the comment!

  54. Also can you please tell me what you think about garden of life raw protein? I’ve heard great things about it but I want to make sure before I purchase anything. Thanks!

  55. What is really strange to me is that Herbalife has been around for what 30 years and more? It has -always- been known by those who know HEALTH to be a scam and MOST “multi-level-marketing’ business models make money for a FEW and dump a lot of product on MANY starry-eyed dreamers.

  56. Dani,

    Well written article.

    For all the negative comments you’re getting, ignore them and keep on doing what you’re doing. Honestly, integrity, and transparency is missing with a lot of these companies. It’s great to hear someone speak out.

    On a side note, have you ever checked out http://www.sfh.com?

    -New Fan

    • dani stout Reply

      Thanks Matt!

      I haven’t checked out that website, do they sell shakes and products as well? It was slow loading for me, if you want a review on a product just send a link to it and I’ll let ya know.

  57. Wow , Thank you for posting this. I bought herbalife when a friend started selling it back in March. I used it for 2 weeks, and I was like WTF am i doing. I cant live off stupid shakes.Also I had the worst bloat from it, which she siad I WOULD not get. The container is sitting on top of my fridge half full along with pills and supplements she said i had to buy with the start up kit. I am going to throw it out after I am done writing this. Im out 150 bucks, but whatever, live and learn right?

  58. Dani!…I just stumbled on your website. I’ve gone natural in my workouts completely; Calisthenics and eating cleaner foods and I’m trying to learn and find more foods and supplements that are natural. I was hearing the hype around Herbalife and I had a gut feeling I needed to do some digger digging on them. The business aspect of it gave it away. When I came to your page and saw your information I was blown away and knew my gut feeling wasn’t lying to me…I skimmed through your page and was amazed and this is something I needed. I will definitely be keeping up with your page. I like what you represent when it comes to healthy eating – THE RIGHT WAY…

    • Brian Knockin Reply

      same thing I was doing I been approached to sell this stuff but the salesmen were so cut throat so it pushed me to search and on the website they do not give info its like they hide every thing lol I got into it with a saleswoman after reading this she was so blinded by the money and product and also people don’t even exercise they just drink these drinks its like the new diet COKE lol Im done

  59. Brian Knockin Reply

    Im reading this this is so vital to my direction from here on out! I feel like I was close to being sucked into selling Herbal Life and I knew something wasn’t right and I am clear minded know that I was right for real!

  60. B.S. Exercise Science and Former Distributor Reply

    Dani,

    First of all, thank you for writing this article.

    I got involved with Herbalife briefly when I was out of work, and found that I simply could not recommend this product to someone in good faith. I told myself that Herbalife was better than fast food, much like some of the proponents would like to argue, but still found that it’s impossible to justify someone ingesting such poor nutrition. First chance I had to make a sale, I ended up telling a prospective buyer not to waste their money and go invest in something cheaper, organic, raw and much healthier for them. I just couldn’t sell something I didn’t believe in, especially after having negative effects using the 24 sport products myself.

    I have never sold a Herbalife product, and from the beginning felt that their instructional DVDs and conventions were a JOKE. All about parties and sales and “leave the nutrition and science to us and not worry about what’s in it as long as it ‘works’.” Pathetic and sad.

    Herbalife spends billions of dollars to keep their salespeople happy, productive and brainwashed. All products are made with Soy Protein Isolate–which contains high levels of phytic acid and antinutrients. Unfermented soy is NOT good for you and is used because it’s a cheap ingredient. Not to mention all the other artificial sweeteners and MSG and crap that is in their shakes.

    Come on, people. Wake up. If you are a true advocate of health, you will realize that nutrition cannot be found in a bottle, and that you are only perpetuating an industry built on big business and corporate gain.

    Thanks again Dani, and please continue to write articles with such integrity. Thumbs up to you and best of luck.

  61. Daniel Mills Reply

    Your all talking a load of rubbish i dont care if your an expert in nutrition or health

    I have already wrote to you before and never got a reply

    First of all lets take Formula one out of the picture as im a bigger fan of the 24 Range

    Herbalife24 is based on the latest proven science and every product batch we produce is third-party tested for substances banned by sport. It assures the athlete that what is listed on the label is exactly what is in the container. All products serve a specific nutritional purpose and contain all-natural colors, flavors and sweeteners.

    95% of soy protein produced is gm but we are if the 5% who’s soy is not gm..

    We are still number one in terms of weight loss and nutrition in the world in 90 countries in 30 years we even have a family foundation charity

    I appreciate not all the distributors here have had the best experience from Herbalife but i got involved in the best team and my supervisor is an ex personal trainer from the Army i have the best community and friends and i use the products every day i sit and read articles about health and nutrition every day as i want to learn and be sucessfull i use the products every day and i have had no issues i have had no customers coming back to me either

    Just another thing i havent noticed anybody having a go at the Herbalife personal care range this is the skin and body wash and fragrances and thats half of our product range .

    I still eat good healthy meals to every day so you cant argue its just drinking milkshakes all the time either

    I respect everyone has thier opinion and im fighting my corner on this one sorry i think it might be something to do with me being in the UK though the Herbalife community and products are a lot different over here

    Many Thanks

    Daniel

    • dani stout Reply

      I have never received any email or message from you. I make it a point to respond to everyone, even if it takes a month.

      Herbalife is only non-GM in Europe, which doesn’t matter because soy is still extremely unhealthy.

      If Herbalife is a healthy product, please answer the following questions that NO other Herbalife pusher has been able to answer:

      How is soy healthy?
      How are rancid vegetable oils healthy?
      How is gluten healthy?
      How are processed foods healthy?
      How are hydrogenated oils healthy?

      • I love how no one can answer your questions lol. It’s hilarious.

  62. What actual qualifications do you, as a ‘holistic health coach’, have to be so assured about your very biased and factually incorrect review?

    Perhaps you have a board of 8 highly acclaimed scientists/doctors/nutritionists behind you, including a Nobel laureate in medicine…no? Well Herbalife does. The product is also INDEPENDENTLY tested and the sports range is approved by the international Olympic committee and contains no banned substances. As such, professional athletes and Olympians use it.

    Your very 1st line of this article is WRONG and so the entire article holds no credibility whatsoever because you clearly haven’t done your research.

    Herbalife soy protein is NON GM. Herbalife know the life cycle of their ingredients from seed to feed and every 7th tub is quality checked.

    Unless you grow your own vegetables you cannot claim they are the best thing for you…over farmed soil, gm, pumped with hormones, pesticides etc. you would have to eat a 1500 calorie meal to get the equivalent nutrition that 1 herbalife shake contains. We are the ONLY shake approved by the government in each country sold, to legally be classed as a ‘healthy meal’ due to its volume of nutritional content. I don’t push low fat meals at all, everyone needs a balance of all food groups and that’s what we encourage.

    For your information, it costs less per day than many would spend on buying either breakfast or lunch.

    Please read the wiki explanation of what a pyramid scheme is because Herbalife is NOT a pyramid.

    Lastly, another reason why your whole article is tosh is that YOU ARE BEING PAID TO SAY THIS AND ENDORSE OTHER PRODUCTS!!

    I don’t mind a debate at all and I will listen to and investigate any facts that I can’t explain but this is a load of made up-personal-opinion-not based-on fact-crap!

    • dani stout Reply

      My credentials are clearly listed on the About page so I’m not sure how you possibly missed that.

      Do you know the meaning of the word “fact?” Because I provided factually accurate statements and ingredients pulled directly from the Herbalife website.

      My very first line of this article is about the amount of times #herbalife has been instragrammed…so how exactly is that wrong?

      Athletes and olympians get paid to endorse this, there is a difference. They also smoke weed, if you’re using that logic.

      Herbalife is only non-GM in Europe, NOT the US. This is a fact.

      So…organically grown local vegetables are not one of the healthiest things I can eat? That is one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard. Also I wouldn’t mention GMOs, hormones and pesticides when you are literally ingesting them with every Herbalife shake.

      I’m not being paid to endorse any products. I choose through Amazon who I want to endorse, and if someone buys through my link I receive commission. There’s a difference.

      Again, please re-evaluate what you think a fact is, because all of the information I’ve provided are literally facts from the Herbalife website. If you think Herbalife is healthy to consume, please answer what NO Herbalife pusher has been able to:

      How is soy healthy?
      How are rancid vegetable oils healthy?
      How is gluten healthy?
      How are processed foods healthy?
      How are hydrogenated oils healthy?

      • Resort to “wit” if you want as Ive clearly upset you, but throwing a wobbler at me is not helping your cause.

        The 1st line of your article is contained within an image by the herbalife named logo…stating its gm soy protein. It does not say on the website that the shake is gm protein, you’ve assumed this from that snippet you uploaded about the majority of soy protein in America being gm.

        Clearly I know the meaning of the word fact, please don’t use such condescending disrespectful terms with me.

        Yes athletes are paid sponsors, I’m not aware Ronaldo smokes crack whilst he’s working on new personalised products with us. You’ve proven my own point here by stating that you are also paid to endorse something so what’s the difference. Nothing wrong with making a living if that’s what you’re attempting, so good for you.

        Where exactly did I say locally grown organic vegetables where unhealthy???!!! I didn’t.

        Just because you’re paid to write an article and I’m left in the comments, does not make you the leading authority.

        People should do their own research into what works best for them…not everyone is perfect and no one is saying the shake is perfect, but its a lot more perfect than an increasing obese nation of super size McDonald eaters. Its helped so many people – not everyone is as perfect as you. Not everyone has the time or money to make the ‘perfect’ homemade shake

        I stand by the products and the scientists/doctors/nutritionists and Nobel prize winner behind them.

        Ive reported your ‘facts’ and comments to our ethics and legal team

        • dani stout Reply

          No, I went on the Herbalife website and looked at the farms they use for the soy protein, they are GM farms. Herbalife’s European products are GM free because GMOs are much less tolerated in Europe. You should probably contact Herbalife directly about this issue, personally I think it’s pretty awful they still use GMOs for the US products.

          I wasn’t paid to write an article, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

          The ingredients in Herbalife are not entirely different from McDonald’s; both use GMOs, rancid vegetable oils and processed ingredients.

          I’m glad you’ve reported me to your ethics and legal team, because you still clearly have no idea what a fact is. I simply copied the ingredients directly from the Herbalife website and highlighted the unhealthy ingredients they use. I am not understanding your issue with this. Is it because I pointed out that the ingredients in Herbalife are complete garbage and you sell/use the products?

        • You realize you guys sound like a cult… Right? Because you really do

        • Ronaldo also endorsed a special product tie-in between Pepsi and KFC.

          I don’t believe that this highly paid athlete fills his body with Colonel Sanders fried chicken and washes it down with a huge Pepsi.

          I also don’t believe he’d ingest chemical-laden, fructose filled, artificially sweetened herbalife powder.

          Athletes endorse for cash. That’s it.

  63. I eat well, am fit, and all I want to do is eat as healthy as possible to sustain my health goals thus staying away from ANYthing GMO is my aim! My GMO questions with regards to herbalife have been answered here! Thank you everyone for the time taken to have these discussions online.

  64. Interesting post Dani.

    A friend of mine has kind of been nagging away at me to try these products (indirectly through a barrage of facebook updates and directly through a “you might like our shakes” approach) and I must admit I succumbed as I finally got bored of a fairly regimented Paleo-diet. Blindly I started having a shake for breakfast as my intention was to get some nice high protein without gluten. I didn’t get as far as the ingredients list to begin with. However after a few days I thought to myself these things are really sweet and figured it’d just be some form of sweetener and basically ignored it. 2 weeks in I checked my weight and found that I’d put on 4 pounds. FOUR! I’ve changed nothing in my routine other than adding Formula 1 and reducing the amount of nuts I eat during the morning.

    I’ve since read up on the ingredients and found that they contain as much carbs from fructose as they do protein (25g per 100g!) Wow thats basically ruined nearly 2 years of eating no sugar.

    I thought you might be interested to know theres another Formula 1 product called “Free From”. The ingredients seem to be slightly different to the ones you’ve posted. The Free From shake is from Pea Protein not Soy… its hard (impossible) to find the ingredients listed online so I’ve typed them out here – apologies for any typos these don’t exactly trip off the fingers.

    Pea protein (43.5%), fructose, safflower oil, inulin, thickeners(guar gum, xanthan gum, carragenan, pectin), calcium citrate, potassium phosphate, flavourings, bulking agent (microcrystalline cellulose), corn bran, emulsifiers (sunflower lecithin), L-menthionie, rapeseed oil, magnesium oxide, sodium chloride, L-ascorbic acid, beta-carotene, D-alpha-tocopheryl acetate, blueberry juice powder, pomegranate juice powder, sweetner (sucralose), ferrous fumarate, nicotinamide, parsley powder, papaya powder, zinc oxide, calcium D-pantothenate, manganese carbonate, cupric citrate, cyanocobalamin, cholecalciferol, pyrodoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, thiamine hydrochloride, pteroymonoglutamic acid, potassium iodide, sodium selenite, D-biotoxin

    I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on that lot.. in particular, am I wrong but wouldn’t corn bran be a type of grain, something I’d told my herbalife “nutritionist” I was specificially avoiding?

    By the by, regarding their normal formula 1 shake I found these contradictory statements right in the product info, which I thought was telling.

    “Rich in protein from dairy and soy” and then later in the same page “Free From – free from lactose, soy” – Wait, what! Which one is it?

    • dani stout Reply

      Corn is a grain, a highly genetically modified one at that.

      My issues with the ingredients you provided:
      The very second ingredient is fructose, safflower oil is highly inflammatory, guar/xantham gum are very processed, carageenan destroys gut lining, corn bran is overly processed and GMO, sucralose is a toxic artificial sweetener, etc.

      This shake is NOT healthy. I make a shake of raw dairy/kefir/coconut milk, 3 raw egg yolks, FCLO, cinnamon and turmeric, Great Lakes collagen and soemtimes the protein I linked to if I need it. Whole foods, my friend!

      • That’s what I figured. I’m a bit annoyed with myself for letting myself get suckered in. I’m a bit annoyed at the friend / distributor for ignoring everything I’d said about my diet and feeding me this ****. I’m quite astounded by the zealous feedback that the Herbalife faithful give. There’s a little part of me that thought to myself, Scientology?

  65. What about Shakeology? I have been using that product and really love it. From what i have researched, **I AM NOT AN EXPERT** i dont find anything bad about it. Just a question. Good info though!

    • dani stout Reply

      I think the first this to consider is the whey protein and if it comes from grass-fed cows, and then how it is processed. You can always ask the company. It also has isolated fructose which I’m not a fan of.

      As for the vegan shake, the main ingredient is brown rice protein which is high in phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors, it can be tough on the digestive system, especially if a person has impaired gut function. Same for the quinoa.

      In general I’m not a fan of shakes, or anything with a lot of ingredients. I do make my boyfriend protein shakes, but it’s very basic, fresh, whole food ingredients. Most of the ingredients in Shakeology aren’t bad though.

  66. Hi, I was wondering if you knew anything about their Herbal Concentrated Tea or their Herbal Aloe Concentrate? Also if I wanted to use a tea and aloe concentrate, what a healthy alternative would be?

    Thanks!

    • dani stout Reply

      Could you provide a link to the ingredients? I’d be happy to do a review.

    • dani stout Reply

      Could you provide a link to the ingredients you’d like reviewed?

  67. I looked on my friends site who sells Herbalife, but it does not list any ingredients…on anything! However I did find photos on this website http://www.evitamins.com/herbal-tea-concentrate–herbalife-11861.

    I had a really hard time finding the ingredients listing for the Herbal Aloe Concentrate. But after a few Google searches I found a photo…
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Herbalife-Herbal-Aloe-Concentrate/271259581370?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D18579%26meid%3D2979091804533554538%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D8476%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D221293565678%26

    I hope this helps 🙂

    • dani stout Reply

      Yum, artificial sweetener! Also, citric acid and maltodextrin are GMO unless otherwise stated. Potassium sorbate is a preservative.

      This is great, thanks Dawn!

  68. Haha I thought you might, he has a couple of videos like that, I have a couple of trainers that work at the same Gym as myself that sell Herbalife, needless to say after posting this stuff on my FB page they now don’t talk to me let alone try and get me to sell that rubbish any more…. Truth hurts I guess.

  69. Great counter article. But there seems to be a lack of resources and what experience did you say you had regarding nutrition?

    • dani stout Reply

      I’m not sure what this is in reply to; what counter article?

      There is an entire “About” page, I suggest reading it.

      There is no lack of resources, everything was pulled directly from the Herbalife website.

      • No no, it is a counter article. Herbalife claims to have healthy and nutritional products and you have said that to be false. I do not see any references that back up your claims. Nor do I see any references regarding your background or experience in the field other than some certification. Also you pulled these ingredient lists from the internet right? The Herbalife site does not post any ingredients for any of the products. You do not have proper references and resources for the ingredients pictures or your statements therefore making your claims false. Good try though.

  70. Hi,

    Until today i thought that Herbalife was usinng only Organic ingrediants. I looked at a few differnt websites and found out that they are not and that they infact use GMO’s and I was really surprised. I have always been intersted in a healther life style and it had nothing to do with losing weight so a few yrs ago i joined Herbalife and used the products (basically the formula 1 and the personalized protien for one meal per day for about 2 yrs.

    I had no intrest in selling it I never even tried i just joined to get the 25% discount.

    The point is if you read the lable and just make your decision based on that it total crap. Me as a user 1 herbalife formula 1 product is worth everything in any health store. Only a person who would try this can agree with me.

    I dont know how they maganed to do so without using organic ingrediants. But i beleive 100% that they make awsome products for improving the health.

    Contrary to what you said above. There products clear the artires from any blockage. I had some tests done and everything was in range in the blood. I did not get a cold or a cough in all the time that I was using it proving that it boosted my imune system as well.

    Herbalife is my favorite company in the world.

    • dani stout Reply

      To each his own, but I hope that in the coming years you do not see the negative effects of loading your body with toxic chemicals, GMOs and processed ingredients.

      I’m honestly curious, how can you continue consuming Herbalife if you now know that the products are complete garbage? How can you say they’re your favorite company in the world when they support Monsato and the GMO initiative, they scam people and literally sell people toxic junk?

      • Dani

        Please can you offer us some real proof that Herbalife supports Monsato!
        Where can we look to see if this is true?
        Where do you get your information from?

        How can you say they sell toxic junk? If you have solid scientific proof then please share with us.

        • dani stout Reply

          I literally provided all of that information in the article.

          If you were unable to comprehend the information I provided, I really cannot help you.

  71. Well, As explained that I used the products everyday for 2 years and I did not get any headaches or dierrihya or a cold or a cough.

    So whether you like it or not thier products do work and they do boost health. I had an angiogram (A photo to see my arteries) and there was 0% clogging. They doctor thought that I was a super athelet.

    I suggest that you would make a better test subject than me. So i would like you to conduct an experiment and try their product. They do have some that are not GMO.

    You as a health person that used organic food already can give a real comparison. If you are not convinced about their products then I would pay you back the price and 100$.

    • dani stout Reply

      I just would never put these toxins into my body.

      I understand that coming from a bad diet and switching to Herbalife makes people feel better, that’s natural. But it doesn’t mean it’s a healthy product or that it makes you healthy. You’ve had a very limited amount of health markers checked, but really you have no idea all of the other ways putting this into your body could affect you in the future. I would be concerned about cancer from the GMOs, soy, rancid vegetable oils, etc.

  72. More, I want to share more things. One big sign of good health is being in a good mood. I was in such a great mood all the time. I felt happy for no reason, even though I was livng in a tiny studio flat and had no car. The Herbalife meal was my breakfast and I spend the entire day with loads of energy. Usually at the end of the work day I would not be able to sit on my chair because I had so much energy. I would spend the last 30 min standing up. Many days after work I would go for a walk to do some chores. I used to walk around 4 miles before I got home. I still would not feel tired. Then I would do my daily workout and go off to sleep.

    • dani stout Reply

      Not good; soy protein isolate, denatured whey protein, fructose, etc.

    • dani stout Reply

      Is this a joke or are you actively trying to prove my point even more? I only skimmed this article because I wasn’t sure if it was actually a joke or not.

      From the article,
      “Soy protein…It is produced using defatted soy flakes that go through a water or alcohol extraction process to remove the carbs.”

      Soy protein is what is leftover after going through a lengthy processing treatment involving hexane (a neurotoxin) to remove the oil, which is one of the most widely used vegetable oils in the US because it’s cheap; which is why Herbalife uses it as well. Anyone with a basic understand of nutrition would understand this.

      And by citing (not site, by the way) you mean his/her links to muscleleanfitless.com and flexonline.com?

      Is this really your argument against me? HAHA.

      • How would a article with proper CITATION be a joke? YOUR ARTICLE is a joke. No proper sources to back up your claims, no citations, and no proper education regarding nutrition.

        As for Herbalife using the certain methods with soy as you mentioned above, do you have any sites, articles, anything from HERBALIFE to base your claims? I assume no, for your statement claiming the photos of ingredients you found were from the Herbalife site were indeed false.

        • dani stout Reply

          You clearly have no idea what it means to cite an article or how to properly do so.

          Those are not proper citations, not even close. By your standards, I could “cite” by simply linking to gulliblesheep.com.

          I don’t need to cite anything when I’m simply proving the ingredients directly from the Herbalife website.

          Do you not realize this information is taken directly from the Herbalife.com? So what exactly do I need to cite?

          • You keep saying it’s from the Herbalife site but it is not. Herbalife does not post any ingredients on their site.
            Point. Blank. Period. You are delusional to think those are from any approved Herbalife site.

            And yes I do know how to site correctly. In the article it is mentioned several times where to find the information that they are posting that back up their claims. References were posted at the bottom of the artic